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Re: The Book of Predator Elder - VOTE for Public Playtesting
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Re: The Book of Predator Elder - VOTE for Public Playtesting
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Re: The Book of Predator Elder - VOTE for Public Playtesting
Sweeeeet, this passes!
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Re: The Book of Predator Elder - Public Playtesting
C3G STANDARD PLAYTEST FEEDBACK FORM
NAME OF THE PLAYTEST UNIT: Predator Elder Version tested:
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Army Test Map: Island Plane Crash Units: 1000 pts - Predator Elder, Predator x3(Pink, Yellow, Blue) VS 1000 pts - Professor X 190, Iron Man 270, Black Panther 210, Dr Strange 320, Lightning Bolt Spells x2
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___________________________________________________________ Army Test Map: Island Plane Crash Units: 1000 pts - Predator Elder, Predator x3(Pink, Yellow, Blue) VS 1000 pts - Professor X 190, Iron Man 270, Black Panther 210, Dr Strange 320, Lightning Bolt Spells x2 Damage Dealt: R1T2 Iron Man 1 wound R1T3 Dr Strange 1 wound R2T1 Dr Strange 1 wound R2T2 Dr Strange 1 wound R3T1 Black Panther 2 wounds. BEGIN THE HUNT: Picked Iron Man, was able to get in one extra turn which killed Iron Man. Regular bonding really makes the team go and feel like a viable army YAUTJA CLOAKING DEVICE: So good, really takes the teeth out of some teams that relay on range or clear line of sight. TRAINED TO PERFECTION: Attacked with the Auto Skull every possible time. Played this game with Toyhandle. Iron Man is the Elders prey. R1 – Elder hits Iron Man for a wound. Bonus attack with Pink attack does 3 wounds to Iron Man killing him. Professor X Mind Blasts the Elder for 2 wounds. R2 – Pink and Elder each do a wound to Dr Strange. Pink and Elder each do a wound to Dr Strange. Dr Strange hits the Elder for 1 wound. Blue attacks and kills Dr Strange. Elder kills the Long Ruin. R3 – Professor X Mind Blast the Elder for 1 wound. Elder hits Black Panther for 2 wounds. The Elder attacks Panther who blocks it and Blasts him into the water. Black Panther attacks and kills Black Panther. R4 – Professor X wins initiative using his special power. Blue gets Mind Blasted by Prof X for a wound. Blue hits Prof X for 2 wounds. Panther kills Blue. Pink takes a wound from Black Panthers Daggers. Pink kills Professor X. R5 – Pink hits Black Panther for a wound. Yellow hits Black Panther for 1 wound killing him. Who won? List figures remaining in the winning army (include life remaining for heroes): Full 5 life Yellow, Pink 2 wounds/3 life left[/spoiler] ___________________________________________________________ Army Test Map: Conflict Chernobyl Units: 1000 pts - Predator Elder, Predator x3(Pink, Yellow, Blue) VS Godzilla
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GENERAL THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT: Predator Elder went 2-1(I'm calling the first game a loss as it was hopeless once the Elder dropped). He is a real difference maker for the Predator faction. Really a must draft if you are playing them. The design fits on both theme and function. Tool set is right in line with the Uncommon Hero Predator. I think 280 points are right on point. Their aren't any changes I would recommend. Thoughts from Toyhandle(games 1 and 2): GENERAL THOUGHTS: Predator Elder leads the hunt well. Cool how he's incentivized to hunt down the highest-life/most difficult to destroy figure. They would have performed even better if his Prey were Doctor Strange, being high life with MD. Will be fun to see the Predator faction develop with new Hunters. |
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Re: The Book of Predator Elder - Public Playtesting
Awesome, thanks Eric!!!
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Re: The Book of Predator Elder - Public Playtesting
C3G STANDARD PLAYTEST FEEDBACK FORM
NAME OF THE PLAYTEST UNIT: Predator Elder Army Test Map: Custom Units: Predator Elder, Predators x3 (1000) VS Fan4 (1000)
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___________________________________________________________ Army Test Map: Custom Units: Predator Elder, Predators x3 (1000) VS Android 16, Android 17, Android 18, Krillin, Beam Struggle Story (1000)
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THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT'S COST, BALANCE, & DRAFTABILITY: I did not have good luck with the Predators. I thought they should be great in theory, but I often found their auto-skulls tricky to activate. For the normal Predators, they have to not move and be unengaged, and enemy figures will be engaging them ASAP due to their Cloaking Device. For the Elder, if he engages the enemy to use his auto skull, he’s suddenly vulnerable, and then he dies quickly. Their self-destruct power was also very difficult to activate. It just felt like a tricky army to best utilize. I also found myself wounding their Prey with my normal Predators then my Elder would whiff - kinda frustrating cause then I missed the extra bonding. That said, their Cloaking Devices + 5 range is a really nice combo and forces an enemy to come to them. The Predators seemed to have done much better in the other playtests, though, so hard to say if my results were just an anomaly! They might just be a swingy faction. |
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Re: The Book of Predator Elder - Public Playtesting
Thanks Arch!
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Re: The Book of Predator Elder - Public Playtesting
Those games looked rough.
I was thinking of doing an extra X thing or some space-tech themed OM management for easier Predator explosions but felt the design was solid as is. I think we definitely want another set of tests on this one, if heavy losses come in again, I'd probably just bump defense back up to 6. |
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Re: The Book of Predator Elder - Public Playtesting
Version tested
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Army Test Map: Martian Warzone Units: Omnidroid (175), Predator (240), Predator Elder (280), Ravage (110) (805) vs Wrecking Crew (800) Powers Used: Begin the Hunt: Choose Wrecker – Used once (Wrecker died too quick) Cloaking: Used too numerous to count Trained to Perfection (multi attack): 0 Trained to Perfection (auto skull): 3 Damage from normal attacks: 9 We nearly called this game after Wrecker fell to some extremely poor defense rolls, but decided to keep going. The Wrecker Crew did make a game of it, and a close game is what makes it really fun. Who won? List figures remaining in the winning army (include life remaining for heroes): Predator 1/5 Life Remaining, Predator Elder 1/5 Life Remaining, Ravage 2/5 Life Remaining
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___________________________________________________________ Map: Martian Warzone Units: Predator x3 (720), Predator Elder (280) (1000) vs Bucky (60), Hulkbuster Soldiers x3 (375), Sgt Rock (175), Thaddeus Ross (160), US Agent (230) (1000) Powers Used: Begin the Hunt: Choose Sgt. Rock – Used twice before Rock fell Cloaking: Used too numerous to count Trained to Perfection (multi attack): 1 Trained to Perfection (auto skull): 3 Damage from normal attacks: 5 Soldiers thought they had lost when Sgt. Rock fell, but they were able to turn it around by the skin of their teeth. Who won? List figures remaining in the winning army (include life remaining for heroes): Thaddeus Ross 4/4 Life Remaining, US Agent 2/5 Life Remaining
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THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT'S COST, BALANCE, & DRAFTABILITY: A win and a loss with both games that could go either way and ending fairly close seems like this guy is fairly well balanced. He is a must draft for a Predator build. GENERAL THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT: Begin the Hunt sounds scary by offering multiple turns, but the power diminishes over time (prey falls) and makes the Elder a target. It seems to balance it out nicely. |
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Re: The Book of Predator Elder - Public Playtesting
Awesome, thanks so much fret!
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Re: The Book of Predator Elder - Public Playtesting
Looks like the heavy losses earlier aren't as much of a worry, more of a possible result of the potential swinginess.
I propose we move to Final Editing! |
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Re: The Book of Predator Elder - VOTE for Final Editing
Yea
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