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Re: The Book of Master Splinter - Vote for Initial

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Just re-read Breaking Balance, somewhere it lost the dice boost. I am happy now.
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Yeah, that was dropped a while back - it was a little inelegant, and, while it was needed to keep him around at 5 def, at 6 def with the potential bonus of The Way of Ninjitsu it's not really needed.


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Re: The Book of Master Splinter - Initial Playtesting

You need to update the SP with the current version.

Initial is up.

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NAME OF THE TEST UNIT (Splinter)
Hero Tests
- Does it pass, Yes or No? Yes. Lost many.
- What should be the unit's point value? 230 feels OK after these tests.
- Give a brief overview. Splinter had a tough go with the other 230 point figures.
Map: Custom
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Army Test 1
- Does it pass, Yes or No? Yes
- What should be the unit's point value? TI saw nothing to alter 230.
- Give a brief preview. Turtles vs Creatures.
Map: Custom
Units: Splinter (230), Leo(210), Raph(170), Mikey(170), Don(150) & Hand(85) [1015] vs. Frank, Wendigo, Dragon Man & Lurker [1015]

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Recap
: Tried to use TWoN to manipulate Self Importance but the rolls never worked out.
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Army Test 2
- Does it pass, Yes or No? yes
- What should be the unit's point value? 230 did not feel wrong.
- Give a brief preview. Raph gets bloody violent and the Criminals suffer his wrath.

Map: Custom
Units: Splinter (230), Leo(210), Raph(170), Mikey(170), Don(150) [930] vs. Doc Ock(215), Wizard(140), Whirlwind(190) & LexCorp x3(390) [935]

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: Raph refused to die at one point and the Criminals took some vicious attacks they could not overcome. Splinter was there to timely give out an auto shield when needed.

FINAL THOUGHTS: The Turtles are interesting to play. Everything hinges on Raphael and his Self Importance. Not only is this roll influenced by his own Raph's Wrath but also by Leo and Splinter, making for a bit of calculations with each roll and a lot of strategy to go along with it. I am not sure I entirely grasped the potential here.

From what I gathered, Splinter was really best served hanging back and trying to force Raph's Wrath or helping out with a bonus shield.

With no real bonding to the team or the Hand Ninja it makes it a bit of a hassle to keep him with the group, though I suppose Don could throw him, which is a good use of the +4 from The Way of Ninjitsu.

I think Splinter makes for a nice booster and fail safe plan for the group. Going mostly off the one on ones, he did not feel overpowered at 230. That Life 4 really goes quickly against most other figures in that point group.



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Re: The Book of Master Splinter - Initial Playtesting

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You need to update the SP with the current version.

Initial is up.

Spoiler Alert!

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NAME OF THE TEST UNIT (Splinter)
Hero Tests
- Does it pass, Yes or No? Yes. Lost many.
- What should be the unit's point value? 230 feels OK after these tests.
- Give a brief overview. Splinter had a tough go with the other 230 point figures.
Map: Custom
Spoiler Alert!


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Army Test 1
- Does it pass, Yes or No? Yes
- What should be the unit's point value? TI saw nothing to alter 230.
- Give a brief preview. Turtles vs Creatures.
Map: Custom
Units: Splinter (230), Leo(210), Raph(170), Mikey(170), Don(150) & Hand(85) [1015] vs. Frank, Wendigo, Dragon Man & Lurker [1015]

Spoiler Alert!


Recap
: Tried to use TWoN to manipulate Self Importance but the rolls never worked out.
_____________________________________________________________
Army Test 2
- Does it pass, Yes or No? yes
- What should be the unit's point value? 230 did not feel wrong.
- Give a brief preview. Raph gets bloody violent and the Criminals suffer his wrath.

Map: Custom
Units: Splinter (230), Leo(210), Raph(170), Mikey(170), Don(150) [930] vs. Doc Ock(215), Wizard(140), Whirlwind(190) & LexCorp x3(390) [935]

Spoiler Alert!


Recap
: Raph refused to die at one point and the Criminals took some vicious attacks they could not overcome. Splinter was there to timely give out an auto shield when needed.

FINAL THOUGHTS: The Turtles are interesting to play. Everything hinges on Raphael and his Self Importance. Not only is this roll influenced by his own Raph's Wrath but also by Leo and Splinter, making for a bit of calculations with each roll and a lot of strategy to go along with it. I am not sure I entirely grasped the potential here.

From what I gathered, Splinter was really best served hanging back and trying to force Raph's Wrath or helping out with a bonus shield.

With no real bonding to the team or the Hand Ninja it makes it a bit of a hassle to keep him with the group, though I suppose Don could throw him, which is a good use of the +4 from The Way of Ninjitsu.

I think Splinter makes for a nice booster and fail safe plan for the group. Going mostly off the one on ones, he did not feel overpowered at 230. That Life 4 really goes quickly against most other figures in that point group.


Yeah, I'm aware the SP needs updating - I've been putting it off since he's gone through so many changes, I wanted to make sure we were happy with the present version before I updated it.

Thanks so much for the tests! (And for doing them so quickly - I don't know how you guys do it, most tests take me considerably longer.)
Splinter was always going to suffer against fellow 230 pointers in 1v1 - his support abilities are part of his cost, without them he's probably closer to 190/200. Notable that his victories were against Iron Monger (whose pififully low life makes him a fairly easy prospect for Splinter, thanks to Breaking Balance) and Ursa (a decidedly average character really - not totally sure she's worth her points, I mean, Kryptonian Defence is good, but the only other real thing she's got going for her is Special Attack that's pretty much just a Kryptonian counter and hurts her as she uses it).
It's also interesting that you seemed to make a lot out of Self Importance - never really used it in the last few tests I ran, maybe I ought to have tried to make more use of it. I'm glad you liked him! If he feels like a solid boosting figure and a nice, scary reserve force/clean-up figure, that sounds right to me.
I'll make a proposal for Public Playtesting tomorrow night. Thanks again, chap!

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Re: The Book of Master Splinter - Initial Playtesting

Tornado, it looks like you never took a 5 turn round with the Turtles/Splinter in either game, is the correct or am I just missing it?
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Doesn’t look like the current wording allows for it.
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Doesnít look like the current wording allows for it.
Yes it does:

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Once per round, when either an Order Marker is removed from the card of a Ninja Turtle you control or when a Ninja Turtle you control is destroyed, you may place any unrevealed Order Markers from that card on this card. When a Ninja Turtle you control is destroyed, for the rest of the round, when Splinter attacks, he may attack one additional time.

Actually... maybe it doesn't. It was certainly meant to. That was always my intent. I meant for you to be able to use Leo's Turtle Power and recover one of the Order Markers with Splinter.


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Definitely doesn't.
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Re: The Book of Master Splinter - Initial Playtesting

Ah... well, that's how I always intended it and how I played him. Could we go back to it like that? I was just running with wording someone else suggested. What should I go with?


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Re: The Book of Master Splinter - Initial Playtesting

Yeah, the 5th bonus turn (on a later OM reveal) after using Turtle Power for 4 turns was always a key feature of the design in my mind.
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