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Old May 24th, 2020, 11:33 PM
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Re: The Workbook of Gandalf the Grey

I don't know if it helps, @White Knight but these steps helped me

1. Search the HoME subforum for a name, like "Gandalf"
2. Ensure the sort is set by date, ascending
3. Go through and select the posts that seem relevant by using the little button with a + in the lower right corner until you have 10
4. Create a new post in this thread and click the "quote the 10 selected messages" text beneath the tetbox
5. Post
6. Repeat steps 3-6

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Re: The Workbook of Gandalf the Grey

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I don't know if it helps, @White Knight but these steps helped me

1. Search the HoME subforum for a name, like "Gandalf"
2. Ensure the sort is set by date, ascending
3. Go through and select the posts that seem relevant by using the little button with a + in the lower right corner until you have 10
4. Create a new post in this thread and click the "quote the 10 selected messages" text beneath the tetbox
5. Post
6. Repeat steps 3-6
No, it won't help, at least in the beginning. The initial brainstorming thread posts often had ideas from Gandalf, Aragorn, and the hobbits all in the same post. That's too much to ask a new person to sift through. I'm starting tonight to go one by one and pull out just the Gandalf ideas.
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I don't know if it helps, @White Knight but these steps helped me

1. Search the HoME subforum for a name, like "Gandalf"
2. Ensure the sort is set by date, ascending
3. Go through and select the posts that seem relevant by using the little button with a + in the lower right corner until you have 10
4. Create a new post in this thread and click the "quote the 10 selected messages" text beneath the tetbox
5. Post
6. Repeat steps 3-6
No, it won't help, at least in the beginning. The initial brainstorming thread posts often had ideas from Gandalf, Aragorn, and the hobbits all in the same post. That's too much to ask a new person to sift through. I'm starting tonight to go one by one and pull out just the Gandalf ideas.
It might still help a little. I did this with Aragorn and them did the editing you describe between step 4 and 5

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Re: The Workbook of Gandalf the Grey

All right, I'm on thread #205 out of #310 on Gandalf in the Brainstorming thread (not including the Playtesting thread comments) and I have 45 pages of notes in a Word document.

60+ pages will be some nice bedtime reading for someone.

I will also try to put together a post of every special ability mentioned for Gandalf--the good, the bad, and the ugly. That will be a much shorter read and will give a good starting point if we want to go into redesign mode.
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Re: The Workbook of Gandalf the Grey

Thanks for your hard work :/ I know that isnt easy.
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Re: The Workbook of Gandalf the Grey

Ok, here are 68 pages of brainstorming comments on Gandalf:

Gandalf Brainstorming comments
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Re: The Workbook of Gandalf the Grey

Thank you, WK! I think Gandalf is probably lowest on our priority list out of all the fellowship, so this should give us all plenty of time to read up if we want to. I intend to reread it all.

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Re: The Workbook of Gandalf the Grey

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Alternatively, we could finalize the version we've extensively playtested:
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NAME = GANDALF
GENERAL = JANDAR
SPECIES = MAIA
PLANET = ARDA
UNIQUENESS = UNIQUE HERO
CLASS = WIZARD
PERSONALITY = WISE
SIZE/HEIGHT = MEDIUM 5

STATS, MASTER/BASIC
LIFE = 7
MOVE = 5
RANGE = 4
ATTACK = 4
DEFENSE = 3
POINTS = 180

BLAZING STRIKE SPECIAL ATTACK
Range 1. Attack 3.
All opponents' figures adjacent to Gandalf are affected by Blazing Strike Special Attack. Roll attack dice once for all affected figures. Each figure rolls defense dice separately. At the end of your turn, after using Blazing Strike Special Attack, you may move Gandalf up to 4 spaces. Gandalf does not take leaving engagement attacks when moving this way.

LEADERSHIP
After taking a turn with Gandalf, you may move up to 3 small or medium Unique Heroes you control up to 4 spaces each. Any figures moved by Leadership must end their movement adjacent to Gandalf. Figures moved by Leadership do not take leaving engagement attacks.
And just drop his points to the neighborhood of 150 (give or take 5 or 10). That would probably be my preference, actually, since it would not involve any further playtests or changes and would allow us to use Gandalf in future playtests.
After combing through the tome of posts and most of the old play-tests, I would support this decision. Of course, waiting to see everyone else's thoughts slowly roll in. Also I'd hate to see all those tests done for naught.
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Re: The Workbook of Gandalf the Grey

I've collected all the suggested special attacks and abilities for Gandalf and organized them to make them easier to present. I will post similar attacks/abilities in a single post.
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Re: The Workbook of Gandalf the Grey

OM manipulation

WISE COUNSEL
At the start of each round, immediately after rolling for initiative, you may choose to switch any two unrevealed order markers on any two Army Cards you control.

Wise Counsel
After revealing an order marker on Gandalf you may swap that order marker with any other order marker on an Army Card (or Unique Hero Army Card) you control to take a turn with that figure instead of Gandalf.

WISE COUNSEL
After revealing an Order Marker on Gandalf and instead of taking a turn with Gandalf, you may do one of the following.

Take a turn with another Unique Hero you control within 6 clear sight spaces of Gandalf
or
Move 2 Unique Heroes you control that are within 6 clear sight spaces of Gandalf up to 5 spaces each

WISE COUNSEL
After revealing an Order Marker on Gandalf, instead of taking a turn with Gandalf, you may choose a Unique Hero you control within 6 clear sight spaces of Gandalf that has at least one unrevealed Order Marker on its card. Place the newly revealed Order Marker from Gandalf's card on the card of the chosen figure. Remove one unrevealed Order Marker from that figure's army card and place it on Gandalf's card, then take a turn with the chosen figure.

WISE COUNSEL
Once per round, after you or an opponent takes a turn, you may remove one Order Marker from any Unique Hero Army Card you control and place it on any other Unique Hero Army Card you control.

CHANGE OF PLANS
Once per round, before taking a turn, you may remove one Order Marker from any Unique Hero Army Card you control and place it on any other Unique Hero Army Card you control.

TBD
After placing order makers, before rolling for initiative, if at least 1 order marker is placed on Gandalf you may roll for TBD. If you roll a X or higher you may see ____ order markers of an opponent you choose.
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Re: The Workbook of Gandalf the Grey

Glamdring

GLAMDRING
When Gandalf attacks an Orc or Goblin figure, you may add 1 automatic attack to whatever is rolled.

GLAMDRING
When attacking a figure who follows Utgar or Valkrill, Gandalf rolls 1 additional attack die.

GLAMDRING
If Gandalf is attacking an adjacent figure, add __ dice to Gandalf’s attack. Adjacent figures attacked by Gandalf that follow Utgar or Valkrill subtract __ from their defense dice. If at least one Orc or Goblin is within 5 spaces of Gandalf, you may add 3 to your initiative roll.

GLAMDRING
If Gandalf is attacking an adjacent figure, add __ dice to Gandalf’s attack.
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Re: The Workbook of Gandalf the Grey

Blazing Strike

Blazing Strike Special Attack (or Wrath of Anor Special Attack)
Range: Special. Attack: 3.
Blazing Strike Special Attack affects all figures within 2 spaces of Gandalf. Roll once for all affected figures. Roll defense dice separately.

BLAZING STRIKE SPECIAL ATTACK
Range 1. Attack 3 or 4
Blazing Strike Special Attack affects all opponent's figures adjacent to Gandalf. Roll attack dice once for all affected figures. Each figure rolls defense dice separately.

Blazing Strike Special Attack
Range: Special. Attack: 3.
Blazing Strike Special Attack affects all figures adjacent to Gandalf. Roll once for all affected figures. Roll defense dice separately. After rolling defense dice, you may move Gandalf up to 4 spaces. Gandalf never takes leaving engagement attacks when moving with Blazing Strike Special Attack.

BLAZING STRIKE SPECIAL ATTACK
Range Special. Attack 4.
Blazing Strike Special Attack affects all figures adjacent to Gandalf. Roll attack dice once for all affected figures. Each figure rolls defense dice separately. After using Blazing Strike Special Attack, you may move Gandalf and up to 3 small or medium Unique Heroes you control who were within clear sight of Gandalf when he used his Blazing Strike Special Attack up to 4 spaces. Figures moved by Blazing Strike Special Attack do not take leaving engagement attacks.

BLAZING STRIKE SPECIAL ATTACK
Range 1. Attack 3 (or 4)
Blazing Strike Special Attack affects all figures adjacent to Gandalf. Roll once for all affected figures. Roll defense dice separately. After rolling defense dice, you may move Gandalf up to 4 spaces. Gandalf may only move using Blazing Strike Special Attack if he ends his movement unengaged. Gandalf never takes leaving engagement attacks when moving with Blazing Strike Special Attack.

BLAZING STRIKE SPECIAL ATTACK
Range 1. Attack 4.
Blazing Strike Special Attack affects all opponent's figures adjacent to Gandalf. Roll attack dice once for all affected figures. Each figure rolls defense dice separately. At the end of this turn, if Gandalf used Blazing Strike Special Attack this turn, you may remove him from the board and place him on this army card.

BLAZING STRIKE SPECIAL ATTACK
Range 1. Attack 3 (or 4).
All opponents' figures adjacent to Gandalf are affected by Blazing Strike Special Attack. Roll attack dice once for all affected figures. Each figure rolls defense dice separately. At the end of your turn, after using Blazing Strike Special Attack, you may move Gandalf up to 4 spaces. Gandalf does not take leaving engagement attacks when moving this way.

BLAZING STRIKE SPECIAL ATTACK
Range 1. Attack 3 (or 4)
Blazing Strike Special Attack affects all enemy figures adjacent to Gandalf. Roll attack dice once for all affected figures. Each figure rolls defense dice separately. At the end of this turn, if Gandalf used Blazing Strike Special Attack this turn, you may move Gandalf up to 4 spaces as long as he ends his movement unengaged. Gandalf does not take any leaving engagement attacks when moving with Blazing Strike Special Attack.

BLAZING STRIKE SPECIAL ATTACK
Range 1. Attack 3.
Gandalf may attack with Blazing Strike Special Attack before moving. Blazing Strike Special Attack affects all enemy figures adjacent to Gandalf. Roll attack dice once for all affected figures. Each figure rolls defense dice separately. All figures that follow Utgar or Valkrill roll one less defense die when defending against Blazing Strike Special Attack.
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