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Re: The Book of Citizen V (Helmut Zemo) (Initial Playtesting

Late Yea

Glad to see him finally make an appearance! Didn't get to see the original power he had - was it Master Motivator + X = two turns?

Either way, I think where we're at with JLL is good and it feels very "like lightning" when it strikes, which is important, I think. The rest of the card does as it should. I'm happy with him.
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Late Yea

Glad to see him finally make an appearance! Didn't get to see the original power he had - was it Master Motivator + X = two turns?

Either way, I think where we're at with JLL is good and it feels very "like lightning" when it strikes, which is important, I think. The rest of the card does as it should. I'm happy with him.
The previous version of JLL was basically like a Charlatan version of Havok's power, but it worked in reverse, letting you drop the X for an extra turn when you did inflict a wound.
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Re: The Book of Citizen V (Helmut Zemo) (Initial Playtesting

C3G STANDARD PLAYTEST FEEDBACK FORM

NAME OF THE PLAYTEST UNIT: Citizen V

Army Test
Map: Sauron's Eyrie (Glyph of Orbital Laser Control)
Units: Citizen V @190, MACH-I, Atlas, Meteorite, Songbird (1050) vs Professor X, Angel (Warren), Jean Grey, Cyclops, Iceman, Storm (1050)
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Army Test
Map: Sauron's Eyrie (Glyph of Orbital Laser Control)
Units: Citizen V @190, MACH-I, Atlas, Meteorite, Songbird (1050) vs Fantastic Four, Wasp I (1050)
Spoiler Alert!

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Army Test
Map: Sauron's Eyrie (no glyph)
Units: Citizen V @190, MACH-I, Atlas, Meteorite, Songbird, Captain America (C3G), Emma Frost (1460) vs Frankenstein, Living Mummy, Judge Mortis, Solomon Grundy, Jason Voorhees, Zombie, Blanka, Skrull Infiltrator x5 (1460)
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Army Test
Map: Sauron's Eyrie (no glyph)
Units: Citizen V @190, MACH-I, Atlas, Meteorite, Songbird, Captain America (C3G), Emma Frost (1460) vs Martian Manhunter II, Superman III, Venom (Hasbro), Sif, Starman (Jack), Atom (Ray) (1460)
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Army Test
Map: Ivy's Greenhouse
Units: Citizen V @190, MACH-I, Atlas, Meteorite, Songbird (1050) vs Professor X, Angel (Warren), Jean Grey, Cyclops, Iceman, Storm (1050)
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Army Test
Map: Ivy's Greenhouse
Units: Citizen V @190, MACH-I, Atlas, Meteorite, Songbird, Captain America (C3G), Emma Frost (1460) vs Frankenstein, Living Mummy, Judge Mortis, Solomon Grundy, Jason Voorhees, Zombie, Blanka, Skrull Infiltrator x5 (1460)
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Army Test
Map: Ivy's Greenhouse
Units: Citizen V @190, MACH-I, Atlas, Meteorite, Songbird, Joker I (1240) vs Fantastic Four, Iron Man (Hasbro) (1240)
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Army Test
Map: Ivy's Greenhouse
Units: Citizen V @190, MACH-I, Meteorite, Songbird (780) vs Green Arrow, Black Canary, Batgirl (Cass), Robin (Dick), Speedy (Roy), Oracle, Skrull Infiltrator (780)
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THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT'S COST, BALANCE, & DRAFTABILITY: Definitely a strong leader. Somewhat relies on Songbird and Meteorite to protect him, but that's what I was shooting for. Justice Like Lightning has a lot of built-in flex, and you can gamble on it pretty safely when Zemo is low on Life, since he only needs the X.

Plays really well with Cap. Joker is nice, but Zemo can't leverage him to the same extent - Joker isn't worth any more here than he is in any other army that doesn't have a special use for the X.

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Re: The Book of Citizen V (Helmut Zemo) (Initial Playtesting

Thoughts/input on the initial so far? Still planning to hit Joker and one < 1000 point game, just to see how Helmut plays in that range. (EDIT: did those things, updated)

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Re: The Book of Citizen V (Helmut Zemo) (Initial Playtesting

It looks good to me, I feel like you covered all the major army permutations. I wouldn't mind seeing how Loki shakes out in a high point game just as a sanity check, but I could do that for you once this gets to public testing.


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Re: The Book of Citizen V (Helmut Zemo) (Initial Playtesting

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It looks good to me, I feel like you covered all the major army permutations. I wouldn't mind seeing how Loki shakes out in a high point game just as a sanity check, but I could do that for you once this gets to public testing.
Thanks, Soundwarp. Sounds good to me.
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Re: The Book of Citizen V (Helmut Zemo) (Initial Playtesting

Proposing we move Citizen V to public testing.
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Re: The Book of Citizen V (Helmut Zemo) (Vote for Testing)

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Re: The Book of Citizen V (Helmut Zemo) (Vote for Testing)

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Would I want it to be everything I love...sure...but that's just not realistic so I'm going to focus on finding things that will make me unhappy and work on fixing those.
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