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Re: Justice League Dark Brainstorming
Both
@IAmBatman
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@laughing matter
have shown some interest in the character...any thoughts on this direction?
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But then again perhaps that is my innate magical power. Would I want it to be everything I love...sure...but that's just not realistic so I'm going to focus on finding things that will make me unhappy and work on fixing those. |
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life's short, why not make an impact on the world? make some peoples lives better, have a few good laughs, and then when it's all over go out with BANG! |
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Since we are going in a soft synergy direction for the JLD, with Constantine being a boon to d20 based powers and Zatanna helping blank rolling powers out, the idea of adding a 3rd web of soft synergy around knowing where your opponents OM's are could be a nice addition. Say Detective Chimp takes a look at an opponents OM during the OM1 reveal, learns where the 3 is, then another figure can perform some kind of trick during the OM2 reveal based on 'guessing' where an unrevealed OM3 is located at. Just something to consider.
Just a general statement on the blank related powers, a word of caution not to make the blank related power too powerful or too easy to achieve. Zatanna is going to make manipulating the number of blanks rolled easier to do on a thing that traditionally only occurs 1 in 6 times, so balancing the power for when she is in play and not in play will take a bit of work but it can be done. |
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The first being that Milligan's Shade usually uses his powers more cerebrally. He can make constructs yeah, but they're not his main thing, and when he does they're often very life-like and used to deceive people. When it comes to combat he usually resorts to either an energy blast or energy fist. Not as flashy, just like you said. The short treats him more like a Green Lantern, which I think worked better for its medium. The second is that The Madness in the comic is treated more as this natural source of power, almost like the Speed Force, and warps the reality around it in a way everybody can usually see and feel. In the cartoon, he's shown fighting madness in more of the traditional sense. Once again, I think that was a far better choice for a minute long short. |
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I like the ideas for Shade, and I always felt like my design was still a little half-baked, but I like Mr Nobody's version quite a bit. I think something like this would be very good with the JLD synergy we're thinking of here.
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Edit: I also made the resurrection power remove all markers form the card because I think that if it only took away OM's he'd still have all the wounds on his card and just immediately die again, lol! life's short, why not make an impact on the world? make some peoples lives better, have a few good laughs, and then when it's all over go out with BANG! |
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I think he needs at least some range. He can shoot energy and makes that one big fist construct. Range 3-4 is perfect imo. I want to keep the power name as Madness Vest, to leave the option open for the Ditko version, who has a different M Vest. Is there a reason why standing next to an Insane ally would boost his attack against non-Insane enemies? I don't recall anything like that ever happening, but I could be wrong there. I like adding Unstable, I almost did it myself. Maybe it would be good to also add Troubled? Crazy Jane, Mento, etc are the kinds of people Shade would end up fighting/helping, and it would be kind of cool to have some cross-pollination with the Vertigo properties. I also like the change to just an attack boost instead of attack+defense, that makes sense I think, although I think maybe a +2 to attack could be justified, instead of just +1. I don't like changing it to 2 blanks, honestly. Even rolling 6 attack dice (Base+2) he's only going to be rolling an average of 1 blank per roll. I'd like him to have at least a decent chance of using his big power, especially if you're throwing OMs on him. With this draft I feel like he'd always need Zatanna II, which isn't really my goal. I'm aiming for a fun solo unit that can play well on his own, but meshes with the JLD too. I'm not a huge fan of the Madness Stream power either forcing teleportation or a wound. In the very early issues of the comic he basically gets tugged along by the Stream. But even by the end of the American Scream arc he has much better control of it, and doesn't have to go when it calls him. Past that, the whole concept of the Stream is played up much less as the series becomes more sedentary in Hotel Shade. I also don't really remember the Madness Stream ever really hurting anybody, so I don't know if it should be able to inflict wounds. Also, what is X defined as? Good call on the Wound Marker thing in Metan Possession, I just wrote the wrong thing. Honestly I think there needs to be a choice between Metan Possession and Madness Stream. I went with Metan Possession because I feel like it represents the whole Milligan run, whereas I think the Madness Stream is more of an early issues thing. So with all that in mind, here's my thoughts. I'm not totally against some sort of Madness Stream power, but I also don't think it's absolutely essential. Quote:
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It's been a while since I read Shade or did the write-up, so my reasoning for some things is gonna be fuzzy. I think I remembered the madness vest being powered by madness, which was my reasoning for the boost. The Madness stream seems like a very iconic power for him, especially for his time on the JLD, because he was basically used as a taxi for the team, which is a useful piece for any faction. I also remember the madness stream being a very dangerous thing for people not protected by the madness vest, hence the wounds, which play into the resurrection.
Also, X was supposed to be the number rolled, but it looks like it accidentally got cut out. My bad. Edit: To be clear, I'm not against removing the madness stream, but I think it would be more useful to the figure itself, as well as the whole faction if we simplified and kept it, rather than if he lost it. life's short, why not make an impact on the world? make some peoples lives better, have a few good laughs, and then when it's all over go out with BANG! |
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Ah, no, it’s the Richard Swift villain Shade I’m interested in.
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