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Re: Fatality - Design Phase

Regarding Griff's concern about referencing "Defense number" instead of "Defense number on its Army Card", what if it instead referred to Defense dice instead?

ENERGY STAFF SPECIAL ATTACK
Range 5. Attack 4.
Figures defending against Fatality's Energy Staff Special Attack cannot roll more than 5defense dice. If Fatality inflicts one or more wound with Energy Staff Special Attack, she may attack one additional time with Energy Staff Special Attack.

She'd be averaging 2 skulls to the defending figure's 1.67 skulls, making the second attack less likely.

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Re: Fatality - Design Phase

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Re: Fatality - Design Phase

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Regarding Griff's concern about referencing "Defense number" instead of "Defense number on its Army Card", what if it instead referred to Defense dice instead?

ENERGY STAFF SPECIAL ATTACK
Range 5. Attack 4.
Figures defending against Fatality's Energy Staff Special Attack cannot roll more than 5defense dice. If Fatality inflicts one or more wound with Energy Staff Special Attack, she may attack one additional time with Energy Staff Special Attack.

She'd be averaging 2 skulls to the defending figure's 1.67 skulls, making the second attack less likely.
That is certainly clearer.... However when Darkseid reduces Superman's defense by -1 while Fatality attacks Superman with her Energy Staff, which defense reduction comes first?.... I don't think that is clear, in fact, I am starting to think that the entire first line is completely unnecessary.
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Regarding Griff's concern about referencing "Defense number" instead of "Defense number on its Army Card", what if it instead referred to Defense dice instead?

ENERGY STAFF SPECIAL ATTACK
Range 5. Attack 4.
Figures defending against Fatality's Energy Staff Special Attack cannot roll more than 5defense dice. If Fatality inflicts one or more wound with Energy Staff Special Attack, she may attack one additional time with Energy Staff Special Attack.

She'd be averaging 2 skulls to the defending figure's 1.67 skulls, making the second attack less likely.
That is certainly clearer.... However when Darkseid reduces Superman's defense by -1 while Fatality attacks Superman with her Energy Staff, which defense reduction comes first?.... I don't think that is clear, in fact, I am starting to think that the entire first line is completely unnecessary.
Since the power refers to the maximum number of dice to be rolled, Darkseid would affect the defending figure's defense first. Then if the defending figure still had >5 defense dice to roll, it could only roll 5.

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Re: Fatality - Design Phase

Yeah, I think it's pretty clear here, Griff. The attack doesn't subtract any defense, it just makes it so the unit can't roll more than 5. It happens concurrently with other reductions, not in addition to them. So Darkseid lowers Superman's 7 defense to 6. That's fine. Superman has 6 defense while Darkseid is there - but he can't roll more than 5 of them when Fatality attacks him.

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Yeah, I think it's pretty clear here, Griff. The attack doesn't subtract any defense, it just makes it so the unit can't roll more than 5. It happens concurrently with other reductions, not in addition to them. So Darkseid lowers Superman's 7 defense to 6. That's fine. Superman has 6 defense while Darkseid is there - but he can't roll more than 5 of them when Fatality attacks him.
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Re: Fatality - Design Phase

So any objections to me starting an initial playtest for her?

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Re: Fatality - Design Phase

I'd object if you didn't.

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Re: Fatality - Design Phase

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Yeah, I think it's pretty clear here, Griff. The attack doesn't subtract any defense, it just makes it so the unit can't roll more than 5. It happens concurrently with other reductions, not in addition to them. So Darkseid lowers Superman's 7 defense to 6. That's fine. Superman has 6 defense while Darkseid is there - but he can't roll more than 5 of them when Fatality attacks him.
I don't think it is as clear as you want it to be though. Someone could easily say that Superman can't roll more than 5 defense, then say that Darkseid reduces it by 1. Whether your interpretation of it is correct or not isn't the issue, its clarity is. And again, I am not understanding why we even need that line at all. The SA is interesting enough without it, and I don't really want to see another defense reducing power right now.

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Re: Fatality - Design Phase

I think it's a little bland without that part of the power, but I'm sympathetic to not wanting more powers that subtract defense right now, so maybe a little bland is the way to go?

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Re: Fatality - Design Phase

If that part goes, she should get to keep the SA attack at 4.

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Re: Fatality - Design Phase

ENERGY STAFF SPECIAL ATTACK
Range 5. Attack 4.
Choose a non-adjacent figure to attack. If Fatality inflicts one or more wounds with Energy Staff Special Attack, she may attack one additional time with Energy Staff Special Attack.
  1. I am not sure if it is your intention or not, but the "one additional" phrase has been FAQ'd to ALWAYS mean that it is only "ONE" extra time, and not unlimited. Is that your intention, or do you mean for her to "continue to attack with her Energy Staff Special Attack until she does not inflict a wound"?
  2. A "double attack" of 4 is OK with me, but an unlimited ranged attack of 4 that keeps triggering as she inflicts damage would not be OK with me. She would just dominate some squads in a way that didn't seem true to the character.
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