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Old April 2nd, 2010, 06:57 PM
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Gen Con 2010 Main Event Armies

Never too soon to start speculating.

Day 1: 510 points

Day 2: 600, 620, or 640.

My first instinct is that this is a trickier format to build in good upgrade options than last year's was. It's going to be tough to find builds that don't either play light or have some filler at at least a couple of the four point levels.

Some immediate ideas:

Minions
330 Minions x3
180 Major Q9
510, 11 hexes

@600, add Atlaga or Raelin+Isamu.
@620, add Atlaga+Marcu or Minions.
@640, add Atlaga+rats, Minions+Marcu, or Raelin+Marro Warriors.

Gruts & Agents
80 Raelin RotV
100 Krav Maga Agents
120 Grimnak
210 Heavy Gruts x3
510, 18 hexes

@600, add Gruts + Marcu (23).
@620, add Nerak + Isamu + Marro Warriors (25, sit Isamu)
@640, add Nerak + Isamu + Gruts (25, sit Isamu)

Braxas Ratpodges do well, right?
80 Raelin RotV
120 Deathreavers x3
210 Braxas
100 Krav Maga Agents
510, 18 hexes

@600, add Marro Warriors + Isamu + Eldgrim/Guilty/Drow Chainfighter (24)
@620, add Airborne Elite + Isamu (23)
@640, add Greenscales x2 + Isamu (25, sit Isamu or a rat) or Airborne Elite + Marcu + Isamu (24)

That's enough for now...

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Old April 2nd, 2010, 07:06 PM
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Re: 2010 Main Event Armies

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Zombies x5 - 300
PKs x3 - 510
24 hexes.

At 600 - Add Raelin?
At 620 - Add Raelin?
At 640 - Add Kaemon Awa or SotM Raelin?

Ignores rats, PKs cover against range, Zombies bring a special attack. Maxes out on figures though, which makes upgrading tricky. Majors and Nilfheim will still give this army trouble. It's likely not the most competitive, but I must say I really like this one.


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Re: 2010 Main Event Armies

I've got about 12 or so armies in the spreadsheet but here are a few that I may or may not have.

Knights x 4 - 280
Gilbert - 385
Kaemon - 505 (18 hexes)

95 - Knights + chain / Finn or Thorgrim or Raelin + Isamu / Hawthorne
115 - Al / Finn or Thorgrim or Raelin + Eldgrim / Knights + Filler
135 - Knights + Zetacron / Eldgrim + Krav

10th x 4 - 300
Marcus - 400
AE - 510

90 - Raelin + Isamu
110 - Raelin + filler
130 - Raelin 2 + Isamu

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Old April 2nd, 2010, 07:25 PM
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Re: 2010 Main Event Armies

Nice! I really should get my brain-eating license revoked for not bringing them up. I have been meaning to play in the Zombies + PK sandbox, too... but I think the points/hexes don't work out for it, here. Zombiesx5 + PKx2 + Raelin is a nice core, but that's 520.

240 Zombies x4
80 Raelin RotV
180 Major Q9
500, 15 hexes

@600, add Krav Maga Agents (18}
@620, add Zombies x2 (21)
@640, add PK x2 (21)

Heck, I didn't bring up any of my personal favorite sorts of builds. Maybe I'm subconsciously holding them back...

220 Tor-Kul-Na
90 Marrden Nagrubs x3
80 Raelin RotV
110 Airborne Elite
500, 16 hexes

@600, add Krav Maga Agents (19)
@620, add Krav + Marcu (20), or Torin (18}??
@640, add Krav + Nagrubs + Isamu (23)

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Old April 2nd, 2010, 07:35 PM
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Re: 2010 Main Event Armies

Riffing off Matthias's 10th/Marcus build...

80 Raelin RotV
100 Romans x2
100 MDG
225 10th x3
505, 22 hexes

@595, add Ne-Gok-Sa (23)
@615/620, add Ne-Gok-Sa + Marcu/Drow Chainfighter (24)
@635, add Kaemon + Isamu
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Re: 2010 Main Event Armies

Here's an odd one:

Kelda's [A-Level] Junk

Braxas - 210
Fen Hydra - 330
Kelda - 410
Krav - 510
8 Hexes

At 600 - Add Raelin
At 620 - Add Raelin and Marcu, or maybe Airborne Elite?
At 640 - Raelin and Marro Warriors, perhaps another Hydra?

OMs would seem tricky, but you lead out with Braxas if your opponent is squad heavy, or Krav if they are range heavy. Kelda is there for the Hydra as a mean clean up, but certainly can cover the 8 life Braxas as well if needed.


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Re: 2010 Main Event Armies

Q9
Raelin
4x Rats
Zetacron
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480/21 space is an interesting build

600/620 either- AE/Kaemon/Krug or Krav at 600
640- Could go with Q10

or

4x 4th Mass
Airborne Elite
Raelin
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470/21 Spots

and then add a 130-170 Points for Day 2

or

Taelord
5x Rats
Raelin
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460 22 Spots-Try to win each of your matches on time

Day 2-Add Kaemon/Krav or Q10 or Q9
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Re: 2010 Main Event Armies

Blade Gruts

160 4x Blades
120 Grimnak
050 Nerak
080 Raelin
100 Krav
510/24

The Krav fill up the starting zone, but I wasn't sure what else to do with the last 100 points. Deathwalker 7000? Anyway the options are pretty limited for Day 2.

90 - Brandis Skyhunter?
110 - Sharwin Wildborn
130 - Deathwalker 8000?


4th Mass - Rev's army

280 4x 4th Mass
220 2x Sentinels
500

100 - Sir Denrick or Concan + Kyntela
110 - Old Drake/Alistair
140 - Old Drake/Alistair + Eldgrim

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Re: 2010 Main Event Armies

510 points? Not 500? I've got to do some rethinking.

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Re: 2010 Main Event Armies

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Braxas Ratpodges do well, right?
80 Raelin RotV
120 Deathreavers x3
210 Braxas
100 Krav Maga Agents
510, 18 hexes
I don't really like this one. Seems a bit risky offensively. You lose an agent and Braxas, and you're screwed.

I like Gruts and Agents, or a similar army with Dwarves/Mogrimm. I was really keen on 4x Greenscales, Nilfheim, Raelin, but now I'm not so sure. The army I took to Rochester a year or two ago seems neat too: 4x Stingers, Raelin, Zelrig, or maybe 3x Dwarves, Migol, Zelrig.

Since Trons are maybe more unlikely than even last year, Cyprien might be a good play.

Heh:

3x Knights of Weston 210
Sir Gilbert 315
Sonya 360
Cyprien 510

90- 1x KoW + Marcu.. or maybe Finn +Isamu
110 - 1x KoW + Isamu + Eldgrim
130 - 1x KoW + MW + Isamu

Those aren't the best additions.

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Re: 2010 Main Event Armies

Good point about the hollow offense on that one.

The Grut&Agent one is definitely the most polished one I've come up with so far. Pairing the Krav and the orcs seems natural to me, because the krav are good against the 4th/10th/trons, and the orcs don't have many other bad matchups.

I don't like that combo quite as much with dwarves and Mogrimm. Although you can obviously replace Nerak+Isamu with Darrak in the upgrades, I would be worried about running dwarves (or knights) without a special attacker.

I definitely like one of your suggestions:

80 Raelin RotV
240 Stingers x4
185 Zelrig
505, 15 hexes

@ 595, add ratsx2 + Isamu (24)
@ 615, add ratsx2 + Eldgrim/Guilty/Drow Chainfighter (24)
@ 635, add stingersx2 + Isamu (22)

That's a pretty nasty army.

ETA: if you like my 500-point trons+PKs idea, that works well... although the only upgrade that doesn't blow is Kaemon at 620.
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Re: 2010 Main Event Armies

Nilheim with a bonding squad in the Greenscales has played really well for me so far. I especially find it good when you wrap it in bacon, then you don't have to worry about Nilfheim falling as fast or the GW staying in Nilf's aura.

240 Greenscales x4
185 Nilfheim
80 Raelin
505, 15 Hexes

@595, add Greenscales and Eldgrim
@615, add AE
@635, add Kaemon/Hydra
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