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Old March 31st, 2016, 05:22 PM
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Re: The Book of Atlas (Public Playtesting)

Yeah. I'd ask him to run a couple more tests for us, but I'm really not that concerned about Atlas's balance and we should hopefully be hearing from LordVenoc in a couple days.
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Re: The Book of Atlas (Public Playtesting)

I'd just say try and sort out and separate the impact those few instances had on the game. How many times was Ionic Imbalance rolled for when it should not have been and what were those results? Did the results lead to other things of note? Once you know the answers to those questions you can get an idea of how balanced and competitive he is at the point cost tested.
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Re: The Book of Atlas (Public Playtesting)

The first game has one correct use and two incorrect uses. The two incorrect uses came to prevent damage taken from Ruthless Counter Strike. The wounds should have been enough to destroy Atlas, and they did, but only because Atlas pulled a 1 on the last roll. He was still destroyed, but he got to take US Agent down and put a couple wounds on Batman when he shouldn't have been able to.

In the second game there are two correct uses and one incorrect use. The incorrect use comes when Atlas rolls to prevent a wound from Evasive Strike and hits a 19, preventing the wound and dealing free wounds to Iron Fist, Batman, and (friendly) Bane. Batman is destroyed.

So not that bad a skew for the games' overall results, but the damage he should have done in those tests is a little more modest:

Game 1:
Normal Attack: 4 wounds to Bucky in 1 attack (destroyed). 3 wounds to Robin in 1 attack (destroyed). 2 wounds to USAgent across 2 attacks.
Ionic Imbalance: used once, reduced incoming damage to one.

Game 2:
Normal Attack: 3 wounds to Robin across 2 attacks (destroyed). 0 wounds to Batman in 1 attack. 1 wound to Iron Man in 1 attack (destroyed). 2 wounds to Iron Fist in one attack.
Ionic Imbalance: Used twice. First prevented a wound, then destroyed Atlas and dealt 1 wound to Iron Fist (destroyed).
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Re: The Book of Atlas (Public Playtesting)

Not an ideal situation but it sounds like you have a handle on what transpired and can now put it into perspective when deciding what point cost you want to move forward at.
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Old April 19th, 2016, 08:28 AM
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Re: The Book of Atlas (Public Playtesting)

Tests in from Tiranx. Not the most tightly-constructed armies I've ever seen (and a little short on details at points), but as a synergy-less bruiser, he's not the worst unit to pull that with.

I'm pretty satisfied with Atlas. Thinking about dropping his points to 270, but I'll run him again myself this weekend before moving him along.

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NAME OF THE PLAYTEST UNIT: (Atlas)

Army Test
Map: Dance of the Dryads Game 1
Units: Atlas, Star-Lord, Swamp Thing, and Venom (C3G) Vs. Red Skull, Green Arrow, Hawkeye (II), Thanos (C3G)

summary of the game: Star-Lord and Swamp Thing weakened Thanos to one life. Then Thanos one-shot killed Star-Lord before dying to Lava Field damage. Swamp Thing used "The Green" way and shot forward only to be met by a Death rejected Thanos. Atlas made a mad dash forward and rolled a crazy 6 skulls against Thanos who whiffed it! Thanos also whiffed his attack and then was killed for the second time by Atlas. The archers tried to shoot Atlas down, but Green Arrow kept wasting his turns by rolling 1's on the d20. After that Atlas systematically assassinated every single character.

End Game:
Atlas- 4 Life
Venom - Full life
Swamp Thing - 3 Life

Ionic Imbalance never had a chance to work the whole game. Atlas rolled crazy good dice and the other team just gave up with its poor rolls. Star-Lord did help Atlas once early game, but died before he could really be much support. Atlas felt like he was worth more 280, but when a 500 point character whiffs when defending against 6 skulls anyone would feel under priced.



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Army Test
Map: Dance of the Dryads Game 2
Units: Atlas, Star-Lord, Swamp Thing, and Venom (C3G) Vs. Vision, Thor, Scorpion, and Lagoon Boy

Summary of the Game: Positioned Star-Lord to benefit from Ragtag Tactics then charged forward with Atlas and Swamp Thing. Scorpion and Vision intercepted and Scorpion would have put 4 wounds on Atlas, but only managed 1 due to Ionic Imbalance. Vision then used Physical Disruption for two turns on Atlas managing 3 wounds the first time and 1 the second to kill Atlas without setting off Ionic Imbalance. Venom came in to avenge Atlas and with Swamp Thing's help got both Vision and Scorpion down to 1 life each. Meanwhile Thor flew over everyone and smashed Star-Lord to death. Venom finished off Vision and Scorpion with Slashing Tendrils. The game ended with Venom killing everyone due to amazing Spider Sense rolls and even better Slashing Tendrils.

End Game: Venom - 1 Life

Bonus Game:

Dance of the Dryads
Atlas Vs. Juggernaut

My son wanted in on the action and took Juggernaut. It went horrible for Atlas. He never he managed a wound on Juggernaut. Even worse, I rolled a 2 and a 5 for Ionic Imbalance doing nothing awesome with his defensive ability. At least I didn't roll a 1. My son is officially a Juggernaut groupie now.

End Game: Juggernaut - Full Life


THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT'S COST, BALANCE, & DRAFTABILITY: As long as your opponent doesn't have a way to damage Atlas without a normal or secial attack, he will be a strong front line wrecking machine. However, abilities like Slashing Tendrils and Physical Disruption bypass his special defenses and neuter his ability to stay on the board.

He was fun and I would definitely draft him as an ati-tank unit. Cost is probably close to 280, but with his ability to damage himself on a 1, I would drop the points a little. Balance felt pretty solid. He did benefit from a leader like Star-Lord, but can still stand on his own when the leader is dead.

GENERAL THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT: He was really fun to play and the randomness of Ionic Imbalance is the type of fun ability that makes me want to play a unit over and over. Nice work guys.
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Re: The Book of Atlas (Public Playtesting)

You should go ahead and update all the art links and make sure everything is ready to be carded when the time comes.

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Re: The Book of Atlas (Public Playtesting)

And you might work on assembling playtesting results thus far. A snapshot would be nice here.

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Re: The Book of Atlas (Public Playtesting)

C3G STANDARD PLAYTEST FEEDBACK FORM

NAME OF THE PLAYTEST UNIT: Atlas

Army Test
Map: Island Plane Crash
Units: Atlas, Red Skull, Robot, Doctor Fate (1000) vs Ms. Marvel, Wonder Woman, Valkyrie (1000)
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Army Test
Map: Sewer Labyrinth
Units: Atlas, Baron Zemo (Heinrich), Meteorite, Red Skull, Ragdoll, Skrull Infiltrator x2 (1000) vs Fantastic Four (1000)
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THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT'S COST, BALANCE, & DRAFTABILITY: Strong rolling from Atlas in the first game (especially that one lucky OHKO against Ms. Marvel, but his rolls were strong throughout) gave him a pretty good showing. His Ionic Imbalance rolls were pretty consistent across both games here (four times reducing damage to a wound, once allowing all damage through, no extreme outcomes). I'd like to nudge him down to 270, but he's feeling pretty good.
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Re: The Book of Atlas (Public Playtesting)

PLAYTESTING SUMMARY REPORT
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Atlas is a solid bruiser, but the drop to 5 Life has definitely reined him in from his initial, where he looked a little on the strong side. Most of the testers agree that his points could drop a little, so I'm proposing that we move him into Final Editing at 270 points.

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Re: The Book of Atlas (Vote for Final Editing)

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Re: The Book of Atlas (Vote for Final Editing)

I don't think those results necessarily warrant a price drop, but he doesn't seem to be a major presence in those games and as a bruiser, he could probably use the edge in costing. Yea.
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Re: The Book of Atlas (Vote for Final Editing)

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