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Re: The Book of Mister Terrific - Terry Sloane(Playtesting)

I'd go 160 for lack of additional tests. There's a lot of moving pieces on his card, and this faction has proven to be a fairly competitive one.
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Re: The Book of Mister Terrific - Terry Sloane(Playtesting)

I'm leaning towards 160 right now, but I would definitely prefer at least 1 more set of tests.
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Re: The Book of Mister Terrific - Terry Sloane(Playtesting)

Forgot to post these in here awhile back:
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Originally Posted by fret_gurglo View Post
C3G STANDARD PLAYTEST FEEDBACK FORM

NAME OF THE PLAYTEST UNIT: Mister Terrific (160)

Army Test
Map: Fire Isles
Units: Doctor Mid-nite (150), Hawkman (220), Mister Terrific (160), Sandman (80), Starman (190) (800) vs Iron Man (240), Mister Fantastic (235), The Thing (325) (800)

Powers Used:
Man of 1000 Talents: 5
Mr. T reroll attack: 1
Mr. T reroll defense: 2
Mr. T rolls 20-sided die: 0
Mystery Man rolls 20-sided die: 2
Opponent reveals OM: 3
Champion of all Things Fair: 0
Wounds avoided: 0

Damage from normal attacks: 0

Spoiler Alert!

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Army Test
Map: Fire Isles
Units: Doctor Mid-nite (150), Hawkman (220), Mister Terrific (160), Sandman (80), Starman (190) (800) vs Iron Man (240), Mister Fantastic (235), The Thing (325) (800)

Powers Used:
Man of 1000 Talents: 8
Mr. T reroll attack: 3
Mr. T reroll defense: 3
Mr. T rolls 20-sided die: 0
Mystery Man rolls 20-sided die: 1
Opponent reveals OM: 2
Champion of all Things Fair: 0
Wounds avoided: 0

Damage from normal attacks: 6

Spoiler Alert!

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Army Test
Map: Alkali Lake
Units: Flash (220), Hawkman (220), Mister Terrific (160) (600) vs Angel (90), Cyclops (190), Jean Grey (180), Nightcrawler (140) (600)

Powers Used:
Man of 1000 Talents: 9
Mr. T reroll attack: 6
Mr. T reroll defense: 4
Mr. T rolls 20-sided die: 0
Mystery Man rolls 20-sided die: 0
Opponent reveals OM: 0
Champion of all Things Fair: 2
Wounds avoided: 5

Damage from normal attacks: 8

Spoiler Alert!

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THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT'S COST, BALANCE, & DRAFTABILITY: Iím counting the first test as the anomaly. In all other tests Mister Terrific performed well above his 160 cost. He did all 6 wounds on the Thing to destroy him and hit each of the X-men for the final blow. With Hawkman giving a boost of +1 Attack, Mister Terrific is able to roll 4 skulls on the average. This is equivalent to a figure with an Attack of 8. The math for it:

Attack = 5 x 50% = 2.5 skulls
Reroll 2.5 at 50% = 1.25 for an average roll of 3.75 skulls
Compared to an Attack = 8 x 50% = 4 skulls

With height advantage (or any other Attack boost):
Attack = 6 x 50% = 3 skulls
Reroll 3 at 50% = 1.5 skulls for an average of 4.5 skulls

I think this actually puts him close to Solomon Grundy level. Stats between the two are very similar. Grundy has Tough, but I think 1000 talents (Defense portion only) is similar or maybe even a little better. Grundyís big power is revival and Terrific is geared to boost himself and others in multiple ways. I would give Grundy the advantage here.


GENERAL THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT: Very good design and overall booster for the Mystery Men, however I think as is, his cost should be 200+. To lower his cost I think his Attack should be reduced to 3.
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NAME OF THE PLAYTEST UNIT: Mister Terrific @ 160

Army Test 1
Map: Custom
Units:
Mister Terrific(160), Hawkman(220), Superman(Kal-L)(370), Stargirl(150) (900)
vs.
Luke Cage(190), Iron Fist(260), Tigra(170), Wolverine(280) (900)
Spoiler Alert!


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Army Test 2
Map: Custom
Units:
Mister Terrific(160), Hawkman(220), Superman(Kal-L)(370), Stargirl(150) (900)
vs.
Luke Cage(190), Iron Fist(260), Tigra(170), Wolverine(280) (900)
Spoiler Alert!


THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT'S COST, BALANCE, & DRAFTABILITY: Mister Terrific plays well, and has some neat anti-botch powers(which unfortunately wasn't enough to stop him from double botching in the 2nd game). I'd say his support is OK, but his role as a power house is where he really shines. Don't have enough to draft Superman/Power Girl/Green Lantern, Mister Terrific would be your go to power hitter, especially so when teamed with Hawkman. His d20 manipulation wasn't used here, but I can't say appealing enough to really build a team around it(none of the Mystery Man d20 powers thus far seem worth building a team around, and a simple +1/-1 doesn't warrant doing so either IMO). His defense anti-botch for his team is nice, definitely a cool/useful support power. The bread and butter is with his ability to re-roll any non-skull/shield attack/defense dice once per attack/defense. That combined with Hawkman(and Flash, which I didn't use here in favor of the rematch after the big win) are definite solid combos. I'm glad I did a rematch, because his first game had me a bit concerned with his power level. I'd say taking the 2 into consideration(2nd game him botching hard), 1st game the other team having several botches themselves...I'd still say he needs a point bump. It's not unlikely that he'll be rolling 4-5 skulls with Hawkman, so that can be pretty deadly. I'd say a bump to 190 max should suffice, no lower than 180 unless mechanics change(which I don't think they should, he feels fun and useful as is). So 180-190 is decent.
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NAME OF THE PLAYTEST UNIT: Mister Terrific @ 160

Army Test 1
Map: Custom
Units:
Mister Terrific(160), Superman(370), Flash(Jay)(220), Stargirl(150), Sandman(80) (980)
vs.
Fantastic Four(1000)
Spoiler Alert!


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Army Test 2
Map: Custom (same as Arkham's)
Units:
Mister Terrific(160), Hawkman(220), Flash(Jay)(220), Superman(370) (970)
vs.
Fantastic Four (1,000)
Spoiler Alert!


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THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT'S COST, BALANCE, & DRAFTABILITY: He's a good synergy for additional mobility. Especially if you are using Hawkman as you can't use Stargirl. He has good potential as a glass cannon. He really should have support by someone who can boost his defense. His anti-botch power can literally save a life. As it saved 4 wounds on Superman. Cost could be a little higher, as the JSA synergy is already looking to be very powerful.
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Re: The Book of Mister Terrific - Terry Sloane(Playtesting)

While waiting for a possible final test, I think it's prudent to move forward to Final Editing here at 160. If we see any shifts with the final test we can tweak in the meantime.
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Re: The Book of Mister Terrific - Terry Sloane(Playtesting)

Perhaps post one of those new results compiler.

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Re: The Book of Mister Terrific - Terry Sloane(Playtesting)

That'd definitely be nice to see before voting to finalize cost.

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Re: The Book of Mister Terrific - Terry Sloane(Playtesting)

Man, if we had a second pass at Ozymandias, Olympic Level Athlete would've been the perfect power for him. Better than Stealth Dodge. Sadly it is what it is, though.

I'm set up for two quick 600 point army tests tomorrow. Not getting to it tonight, but hopefully I should have it done and posted by tomorrow afternoon.

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Re: The Book of Mister Terrific - Terry Sloane(Playtesting)

Knowing @japes I'm sure he's already started on the cards here. @johnny139 want to take a pass at a bio? We want this ready to go as soon as we can get it.

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Re: The Book of Mister Terrific - Terry Sloane(Playtesting)

Sure, why not. 5-minute, I-should-already-be-in-bed take coming up.

Extravagant wealth, Olympic-level skills, brilliant, athletic, and more - Terry Sloane thought he'd reached the peak before he was even 25. However, a chance rescue - saving a suicidal woman midway through her leap from a bridge - opened his eyes to a world that could use another hero. Sloane donned a costume and became Mister Terrific, "The Man of 1,000 Talents" and one of the premiere heroes of the 1940s. A true Renaissance man, he is remembered not only for his role in the Justice Society and All-Star Squadron, but for his constant battle for justice, equality, and above all else, Fair Play.
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Re: The Book of Mister Terrific - Terry Sloane(Playtesting)

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Knowing @japes I'm sure he's already started on the cards here. @johnny139 want to take a pass at a bio? We want this ready to go as soon as we can get it.
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Edit: Hopefully what johnny posted works!

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