The Book of Spider-Man (Ultimate)

[tcglkn]

Originally Posted by IAmBatman

That wouldn't be the worst addition. You could also go with Web Swing instead of Swing Line and put a Spider-verse tag on Ultimate Sacrifice.

Why would you need a Spider-Verse tag there? All the powers also call out Web Swing.

[Alexandros]

Originally Posted by IAmBatman

That wouldn't be the worst addition. You could also go with Web Swing instead of Swing Line and put a Spider-verse tag on Ultimate Sacrifice.

I'm not opposed to Web Swing, but I'd rather see Swing Line. Swing Line was introduced as a way to make the character a more "active" player on his turns, rather than just being something you play for the passives. I don't feel like Web Swing solves this issue.

Originally Posted by tcglkn

Why would you need a Spider-Verse tag there? All the powers also call out Web Swing.

Good callout. Thank you!

[IAmBatman]

Originally Posted by Alexandros

I'm not opposed to Web Swing, but I'd rather see Swing Line. Swing Line was introduced as a way to make the character a more "active" player on his turns, rather than just being something you play for the passives. I don't feel like Web Swing solves this issue.

Swing Line predates Web Swing. I'm not sure what you mean by "more active" here. Web Swing just gives you more movement flexibility and little moves, which is a lot like Spider Agility, just without a double attack.

Oh, did you mean *Spider Agility* was there to make him more active and a change to a little bit more involved of a movement power isn't enough?

[Alexandros]

Originally Posted by IAmBatman

Swing Line predates Web Swing. I'm not sure what you mean by "more active" here. Web Swing just gives you more movement flexibility and little moves, which is a lot like Spider Agility, just without a double attack.

Oh, did you mean *Spider Agility* was there to make him more active and a change to a little bit more involved of a movement power isn't enough?

I'm sorry, I got mixed up here and had confused Swing Line with Spider-Agility.

[IAmBatman]

I guess if we're going with "amateur" Spidey, then Spider-Agility feels off?

[Alexandros]

Originally Posted by IAmBatman

I guess if we're going with "amateur" Spidey, then Spider-Agility feels off?

Miles and Ghost Spider have similar levels of experience, no?

I'll try to think of an alternative.

[IAmBatman]

I don't honestly know. This guy in general isn't an area of expertise for me. Just trying to fill the vacuum of feedback a little if I can.

In general I don't *love* four power cards, but I understand wanting something to give him more to do on his turn.

Is "Go the Distance" really that thematic for him?

[MrNobody]

I like Go The Distance to keep him from being 'different flavor Jocasta.'

Maybe something like this in place of Swing Line?

SPIDER-VERSE: WEB CONTROL
Instead of his normal move, Spider-Man may choose himself or a figure within 4 clear sight spaces and move them up to 2 spaces, during which it has the Flying special power and does not take leaving engagement attacks. After using Web Control, you may use it one additional time, but you may not choose the same figure, other than Spider-Man more than once per turn.

Web Control is a bad name and wording could probably be massaged, but I hope the idea comes across. Moving enemy figures around is hardly something new for a Spidey, but moving friendlies around easily could be useful.

Alternatively, maybe we could use Skin Of His Teeth instead of Go The Distance?

SKIN OF HIS TEETH
Once per round, if Spider-Man would be destroyed by receiving wounds, you may instead remove an unrevealed Order Marker from this card. If you do, you must place or remove Wound Markers until he has 1 Life remaining.

Very much a similar thing, but requiring an OM on him might encourage him to be more active at times?

I still don't mind Spider-Agility either, fwiw.

[IAmBatman]

Skin of his Teeth does feel very “young, in over his head” Spidey.

[tcglkn]

Spider-Agility only really works as a power if he has Swing Line, if you switch out Swing Line you'll need to drop Agility.

[LordVenoc]

Can the SP get updated with where you are at right now? Been a few suggestions here so hard to tell where you are right now. Generally like what it seems like the direction is as far as leaning him more active is. Especially dig the Skin of His Teeth direction, but might want to ping @Lord Pyre to ask if adding an Order Marker requirement here might hurt his Spider-Verse pull.

[Lord Pyre]

Sorry about the delay, haven't had a ton of brainpower lately.

If you want to have a passive Spidey, might as well let him be a passive Spidey. I do worry a bit about the stacking of Ultimate Sacrifice, Go the Distance, and Pavitr's life saving gadgets, but I'm sure that's not the worst thing we have in this game and they're also lacking in offensive power.

If you want to force OMs on his card to try to get him used, Skin of his Teeth seems cool. For Spider-Verse synergies, Otto doesn't like others having OMs, so you'd be pushing him into more of a Spider-UK build, which is probably totally fine, just something to note. Another option is to combine the OM ideas here into a big ol' spider-life-saving-slushie.

ULTIMATE SACRIFICE
If a friendly figure within 4 clear sight spaces of Spider-Man would receive on or more wounds from an opponents normal attack, you may remove one unrevealed Order Marker from this card, and Spider-Man may use his Swing Line 4 special power. If he ends this movement adjacent to the defending figure, Spider-Man must receives those wounds instead of the defending figure.

Also nerfs it a tad in other generalist builds. Spider-Verse doesn't care about the "X" marker outside of Anti-Venom's healing, so you'd always have at least one OM on him to burn.

If you want an active combat power, I'd hit the same theme maybe to pair nicely with Sacrifice?

POWER AND RESPONSIBILITY
When a figure you control within 4 clear sight spaces of Spider-Man receives one or more wounds from an enemy figure's attack, once during your next player turn, you may add 2 to his Attack number while attacking that figure.

That way you get the choice as a player, do the right thing and save your friend, or miss out and have to avenge Uncle Ben instead. Obviously there's not much room for anything else (I definitely would want to keep Swing Line), but it sounds like it might be fun to play.