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I can check since I'm not super versed on comic materials, but I feel fairly confident that whatever comic content exists that would go against this would be similar to the episode Nightmare in Silver that it's closer to a once off for a cooler story and even when they convert they'd be converting someone human like.

~Dysole, who feels like the show and the comics aren't likely to disagree strongly
I'm worried I rambled a bit in the last post, so I'll try to respond succinctly here and hopefully it'll serve like a TL;DR. Almost no fact in Doctor Who is concrete, cause the universe is probably more of a mess than the DC universe. Most Cybermen stories show them only being able to convert humans or creatures indistinguishable from humans. There are also many stories that show them converting everything.
I'd also say the big iconic Cybermen comic stories have a far higher predisposition towards showing them converting non-humans. I'm vaguely against looking at the comic continuity over the show because that's just a rabbit hole I don't think we want to fall down.
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Re: C3G Doctor Who Workshop

Do they only convert Humans because they generally mostly interact with Humans? If they crossed over with Marvel, would converting, Mutants, or Asgardians, or Kree or Skrull, actually be an issue?
I'd be in favour of letting the conversion be more open for broader use.


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Reading through wikipedia, they did, as Dysole stated, convert other species in one episode. Apparently they do this more often in the comics.
There have been many, many variations of the Cybermen so I think we are safe with opening up conversion to the masses. Small or Medium (or maybe just Medium?), no Androids or Constructs. I believe they can convert Undead, they converted bodies in one episode I believe.
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Re: C3G Doctor Who Workshop

I’d also feel safe limiting to no super strength. They’d be able to bust out of the machine anyways.
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Good point, that eliminates a lot of the high end cards which is nice.
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Just so we're clear, isn't nightmare in silver the only time non humans are converted. You might want to stick to a small pool that can be converted so we don't end up with anything too weird thematically.

~Dysole, who'll comment more on mechanics for Cybermen and Daleks tonight
thematically I agree but I think it's more of the "humanoid" then Humans as we used them. I don't think Mutants should be exempt or metahumans, mutates & whatever other non-human species that we have that is still humanoid. Unless there is a nice way to only include humanoids then I don't think we should limit it.
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Maybe do the DO something like this?

(I haven't totally been keeping up, so I'm not sure what the current version looks like)

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MAKE A CYBERMAN OF YOU
If a Cyberman you control attacks a figure and would inflict enough wounds to destroy that figure, you may ignore those wounds and place that figure on this card. At the end of each round, you may destroy one figure on this card and place one of your previously destroyed Cybermen adjacent to this destructible object.

SECOND THING TO ALLOW FOR RESCUE
If an opponent's figure starts its turn adjacent to this destructible object, that opponent may choose a figure on this card and place that figure on any empty space adjacent to this destructible object.
Hews pretty close to the 'place destroyed figures' version, but allows for rescues.
This is close to what I had in mind. Although I don't think the rescue part is necessary.
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YOU WILL BE CONVERTED
After taking a turn with the Cybermen, you may choose a Unique or Common figure adjacent to a Cyberman you control. Roll the 20-sided die, subtracting 2 from the roll for each unrevealed order marker on the chosen figure's card. If you roll X or higher, you may place that figure on the card of a Cyber-conversion Machine Destructible Object you control.
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CYBER-CONVERSION
At the end of each round, you may destroy and remove a figure on this card and place a previously destroyed Cyborg Subjugator adjacent to this Cyber-conversion Unit.

ESCAPE POWER
When this Cyber-conversion Unit is destroyed, you must place all figures on this card either on a space this Cyber-Conversion Unit previously occupied or adjacent to a space this Cyber-Conversion Unit previously occupied, if possible.
Is this too powerful? I know Angstrom Levy does something pretty similar and is considered fairly good. Maybe it can be limited to figures without SS? Or maybe the figures can be placed adjacent to the machine but still be unable to escape somehow?
I really do prefer that there not be a conversion power on the Cybermen cards. I just think they will work better & be more accurately costable if it wasn't part of their card.

I think the figures would've been destroyed anyway so there is no need to have the ability to rescue them. If you want to play that out sometime make it part of a scenario.

This is what I was thinking:
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CYBER-CONVERSION
If a Cyberman you control attacks a Hero figure without the Super Strength special power and would inflict enough wounds to destroy that figure, you may ignore those wounds and place that figure on this card and the Cyberman on a space adjacent to the Cyber Conversion Unit. At the end of each round, roll the 20-sided die. If you roll 14 or higher, you may destroy one figure on this card and place one of your previously destroyed Cybermen adjacent to this destructible object.

PRESERVATION DIRECTIVE
If this Cyber Conversion Unit is targeted for an attack, before the attacking figure rolls attack dice you may choose one Cyborg you control and move up to 4 spaces. If the chosen Cyborg is adjacent to the attacking figure or closer to the attacking figure than this Cyber Conversion Unit, then the attacking figure is now attacking your chosen Cyborg figure instead.
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Re: C3G Doctor Who Workshop

Yeah after sleeping on it, I’m thinking doing it either the way Ronin did it or A3n did it would be the best. I really like the mechanics behind them paralyzing someone with their SA then snatching them away but I struggled to find a way to make that work that wasn’t horribly clunky. And then if we do it A3n’s way there’s no need for an extra rescue mechanic.
Also sorry for yammering a bit last night. It wasn’t really relevant, I think I just get hyped to talk about complicated Doctor Who stuff because it’s not really something I get to do every day.
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Yammering is part of the process.
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Re: C3G Doctor Who Workshop

Yeah, keeping it simple is probably the best in the long run. The Doctor can keep his friends from being converted by just stopping the Cybermen to begin with or shutting down the machine.

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How is this?
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CYBER-CONVERSION
If a Cyborg Subjugator you control attacks a Hero small or medium figure without the Super Strength special power and would inflict enough wounds to destroy that figure, you may ignore those wounds and place that figure on this card and the Cyborg Subjugator on a space adjacent to the Cyber Conversion Unit. At the end of each round, roll the 20-sided die. If you roll 14 or higher, you may destroy one figure on this card and place one of your previously destroyed Cyborg Subjugator adjacent to this destructible object. Androids and Constructs are not affected by Cyber-conversion.

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If this Cyber Conversion Unit is targeted for an attack, before the attacking figure rolls attack dice you may choose one Cyborg you control and move up to 4 spaces. If the chosen Cyborg is adjacent to the attacking figure or closer to the attacking figure than this Cyber Conversion Unit, then the attacking figure is now attacking your chosen Cyborg figure instead.
Is there a reason to limit it to heroes? Being able to convert civilians would be fun and thematic. It could possibly even be a legitimate strategy to bring your own civilians and start converting them, which feels very Cyberman. I changed references to Cybermen to Cyborg Subjugator so future Cyber-units could convert people and get created too.
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There needs to be a size restriction and an Android and Construct restriction.
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There needs to be a size restriction and an Android and Construct restriction.
Good point. I’ll edit it in.

Rambling again, on small figures; It’s been implied before the Cybermats the Cybermen often use are what they convert babies into. That’s horrifying to me.
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