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Old March 7th, 2022, 04:18 PM
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That'd be pretty fundamentally changing the rules of Heroscape, so it feels pretty off the table to me.
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Old March 7th, 2022, 04:25 PM
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Any answers to my question?

I agree with not rewriting the rulebook. Save that for C3G 2.0.

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Old March 7th, 2022, 04:31 PM
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I am confused how defining a term that everyone uses is rewriting the rulebook but you guys do your thing. Tag me when you're ready to vote.

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Old March 7th, 2022, 04:37 PM
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Would you be able to use instead of moving powers that don't move your figure itself when you're stuck or otherwise prevented from moving? My understanding was yes.

To be able to discuss this in concrete terms, take Amazo's Amazing Lasso for instance.

Let's say Amazo is stuck. Can he still use his lasso?

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Instead of moving with Amazo, you may choose a non-adjacent small or medium figure within 4 clear sight spaces of Amazo. Place the chosen figure adjacent to Amazo. The chosen figure rolls 2 fewer defense dice if attacked by Amazo this turn. Figures moved by Amazing Lasso will not take any leaving engagement attacks.
So trying to parse it...(this whole thing makes my head spin a bit.)

1) First we need to determine if the power is referring to the act of moving Amazo (instead of moving) or the part of Amazo's turn during which he moves (instead of moving normally)

2) I'm assuming this power was intended to refer to the part of the turn.

3) We've ruled that a design like Cyclops II that lets you take a turn with a figure "during which it cannot move" cancels out the 'move' part of that figure's turn.

4) I don't think the language on Cyclops and the language on Blob are necessarily different. So I think under our current understanding, Blob cancels out the 'move normally' part of a figure's turn, in addition to stopping a figure from physically moving. But I think that's also down to the fact that we still don't have an easy way to distinguish between those two effects wording-wise.
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Old March 7th, 2022, 04:49 PM
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I won't get into 1 and 2, as that's a whole different conversation.

4 seems the relevant area for discussion. On something like Psionic Grip, I guess you're actually beginning to move, so it's not relevant for something where you choose to do it instead of moving. You'd choose to do the instead of moving power before Psionic Grip could take away your move. The same way with something like Weather Wizard's Fog Cover and attacking.

I guess if you were next to a figure and they had a power that said "Figures engaged with this figure cannot attack" then you wouldn't be able to give up your attack to do an instead of attacking thing either.

Seems reasonable.

Back on 1, though, I'm 90% sure that we defined "moving" as any move and "moving normally" as moving on your turn, so pretty sure, regardless of intent (who remembers?) that Amazo can do that instead of any move.

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Old March 7th, 2022, 04:51 PM
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So that brings us to this wording:

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A figure can only use an "instead of moving" or "instead of attacking" power if they have a move or attack to give up.

What does this mean in practice?

- If the figure already used an "instead of moving" power this player turn, they do not have a move to give up. If the figure already used an "instead of attacking" power this player turn, they do not have an attack to give up.
- Instead of attacking, per a previous ruling, means instead of all attacks, so if that figure has attacked already on this figure turn, it does not have an attack to give up.
- If the figure is affected by a special power that specifically mentions that figure cannot move during this turn, it does not have a move to give up. If the figure is affected by a special power that specifically mentions that the figure cannot attack during this turn, it does not have an attack to give up.
- If the figure does not have a target for an attack, it can still do an instead of attacking power.
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Should “instead of moving” powers be “instead of moving normally” powers going forward?
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Old March 7th, 2022, 05:01 PM
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Should “instead of moving” powers be “instead of moving normally” powers going forward?
I thought there was a prior ruling that "instead of moving normally" meant giving up all normal movement on your turn and instead of "moving" meant giving up "a move" whether in turn or not.

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Should “instead of moving” powers be “instead of moving normally” powers going forward?
I thought there was a prior ruling that "instead of moving normally" meant giving up all normal movement on your turn and instead of "moving" meant giving up "a move" whether in turn or not.
This is correct.
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Yeah I was more talking about stuff like Cyclops II and Amazo going forward. Like Amazo should probably be "instead of moving normally" I think.
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That seems like a design-by-design call, but, sure. Just making sure we're not talking about rules clarifications or anything (which is our goal here ).

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So that brings us to this wording:

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A figure can only use an "instead of moving" or "instead of attacking" power if they have a move or attack to give up.

What does this mean in practice?

- If the figure already used an "instead of moving" power this player turn, they do not have a move to give up. If the figure already used an "instead of attacking" power this player turn, they do not have an attack to give up.
- Instead of attacking, per a previous ruling, means instead of all attacks, so if that figure has attacked already on this figure turn, it does not have an attack to give up.
- If the figure is affected by a special power that specifically mentions that figure cannot move during this turn, it does not have a move to give up. If the figure is affected by a special power that specifically mentions that the figure cannot attack during this turn, it does not have an attack to give up.
- If the figure does not have a target for an attack, it can still do an instead of attacking power.
How's that look?

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