The Pre-SoV Workshop

[Dysole]

I thesaurused based more off of the idea of a "second wind" than "desperation" as that was how I was reading the theme, but zealot sounds good to me too.

~Dysole, who does employ multiple methods when trying to come up with a power name

[Scytale]

Originally Posted by Kinseth

If Exxorin takes exactly one wound from an adjacent figure, that figure also receives a wound.

That doesn't work. See my HS Codex article Where Rules Don't Bend as to why. Specifically the second-to-last paragraph.

[Kinseth]

Breaking the Law, Breaking the Law!

[bmon]

I still think it's a shame that this guy "can't" have a regeneration ability simply because DnD lizardfolk don't. It's exactly the kind of ability this guy could use for staying power and it's a generally well accepted thematic ability of fantasy lizard creatures. It seems much more obvious than spinning it with a theme of desperation.

[Soundwarp SG-1]

Originally Posted by Scytale

That doesn't work. See my HS Codex article Where Rules Don't Bend as to why. Specifically the second paragraph.

Just out of curiosity, since I've never really gotten the objection to 'knowing who wounded you powers', is there some reason that the obvious answers to your 'who did the wounds' examples ('the fall', 'wannok', and 'all of the Hounds', respectively) don't work? Like I get that thematically those maybe shouldn't be the answers, but who cares? Mechanically it seems pretty clear to me.

Like I really don't get how a figure knowing if it destroyed/wounds another figure is fine, but it's not fine for a figure to know if another figure destroys/wounds someone. That's the same information, how do you only know it half the time? Especially since one of the examples you gave already exists as an issue. A figure with Life Drain or Bloodlust can get on the Glyph of Wannok just like anyone else, so there needs to be an answer to if they inflict the wound or if Wannok does. If we have an answer to that, how do we not have an answer for a third party caring about where the wound comes from?

[Leaf_It]

Originally Posted by Scytale

That doesn't work. See my HS Codex article Where Rules Don't Bend as to why. Specifically the second-to-last paragraph.

Out of curiosity, is it possible to word the power in such a way that it would be able to wound the Cather Spearmen when wounded by their Braced Spear ability?

[dok]

Intentional that you can kill your own figures to heal the leader?

[Scytale]

Originally Posted by Soundwarp SG-1

Just out of curiosity, since I've never really gotten the objection to 'knowing who wounded you powers', is there some reason that the obvious answers to your 'who did the wounds' examples ('the fall', 'wannok', and 'all of the Hounds', respectively) don't work? Like I get that thematically those maybe shouldn't be the answers, but who cares? Mechanically it seems pretty clear to me.

The point isn't specific examples, per se. The point is that the game is not designed to care. I can (and have, in similar arguments) come up with perfectly reasonable powers that greatly call into question who is inflicting the wound, or if any figure is at all. It's just not something inherent in the ruleset, and there are already multiple examples where it is either unclear (Wannok, Knockback) or is inflicted by multiple figures (Marro Plague, Zombie Onslaught).

[Scytale]

Originally Posted by Leaf_It

Out of curiosity, is it possible to word the power in such a way that it would be able to wound the Cather Spearmen when wounded by their Braced Spear ability?

No, I don't think so. If you want to get really technical, Braced Spear doesn't actually indicate the previously unengaged Spearman actually does any damage; it simply says the opposing figure receives a wound. It is, of course, obvious what the implication is. But it goes back to the "Heroscape doesn't always indicate who deals wounds" thing. Unless the power specifically called out Braced Spear, it would have to work generally, and thus would also have to be triggered by less clear powers.

[Kinseth]

If you wanted shield retaliation ability to work bs Braced spear and the likes, you could just leave it as a wild card choice?

If You are putting exactly one wound maker on his card, you may choose any enemy figure adjacent and thar figure recieves a wound.

-im on my phone, so im being brief

[Leaf_It]

Originally Posted by Scytale

No, I don't think so. If you want to get really technical, Braced Spear doesn't actually indicate the previously unengaged Spearman actually does any damage; it simply says the opposing figure receives a wound. It is, of course, obvious what the implication is. But it goes back to the "Heroscape doesn't always indicate who deals wounds" thing. Unless the power specifically called out Braced Spear, it would have to work generally, and thus would also have to be triggered by less clear powers.

"When [name] receives a wound from a normal, or special attack from an adjacent figure, or from a power on an adjacent figure's card, that figure receives 1 wound."
Why doesn't this work?
EDIT: wait, the hounds. Okay I can get it. This would only work if it hurt every adjacent Marrden Hound, and would require a ruling clarification.

[superfrog]

Wow. Fun discussions.

I'm not interested in making the power apply more broadly. It's clean and simple the way it's written, and I like that.

Edit: sorry if this sounded snarky. I think the discussions were perfectly valid and could have added something to the unit if successful. I am willing to abandon that avenue for simplicity's sake.