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Re: Orc's Power Rankings
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The reason Atlaga and Concan are higher than him is that they fill in a nice point slot where there aren't a whole to of other options, especially if you only have room for one or two more figures. Once you hit 100, the options really start to open up. He's also a "win more" figure, so to speak. He doesn't help a Vydar range army's bad matchups; instead, he makes their good matchups (marginally) better, as well as the mirror. Finally, he hasn't won anything noteworthy in years (Team Tourney doesn't count). If he's an A, why does nobody play him? Win a few events with him at GC and I'll bump him up . I value results over everything. Laglor is, at best, a weak B+. I see him more as a middling-B. Casters of Valhalla: THE Competitive HeroScape Podcast!
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For good reason! But excluding Team Tourney considerations for Laglor does mean you aren't considering the one format in which he outshines all: his aura (for those of you who don't know already) affects friendly figures, and not just figures you control. So it boosts your allies. Off the top of my head I think it's the only aura like that in the game; I am sure others will correct me if I'm wrong.
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That aside, the only real reason he's so good in Team Tourney is simply that he helps in the mirror. 110 points is a lot, and I think I'd rather add a Q9 killer like Minions; however, if they have Laglor and you don't, you might be in a bit of trouble. Casters of Valhalla: THE Competitive HeroScape Podcast!
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How do I get the Elves moved up? I am 7-2 at Gencon with the 600 point elf army (Ulginesh/Raelin/Jorhdawn/Chardris/Arkmer/Kyntela/Morsbane) against mostly real competitive armies. I think B+ or A- is probably right for Elves if you know what you are doing; they are definitely favored against armies made of B+ figures, especially with figure limits which don't constrain them at all. The only really bad matchup they have is Raelin-backed Krav
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I could easily see the elves being B+ but I'm not so sure about A- (well Acolarh still sucks and I'm not so sure the army needs Emirroon all that much but the rest sure) ~Dysole, who thinks that elves biggest constraint is they get worse as point totals decrease My Twitch Channel where I play Scape and other things My YouTube Channel where the games get uploaded later Dysole's Draft Rankings Map Thread (Not responsible for psychic damage) Customs Battle Reports This sentence is seven words long. This sentence is not seven words long. |
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I'm 3-2 against Raelin backed Krav with Elves I think (wins over you, The Orange Mailman, and Deroche, losses to Rÿchean and videosayg), but they were huge factors in every one and I was probably on the luckier side to win three of those five. I was probably on the unluckier side to face Raelin-backed Krav in more than half of my games with the Elves though.
I agree that Elves are pretty bad below 500. To be honest I don't think they are very good above 700 though either. I don't think there's too much value in Warriors of Ashra as a screen or Sonlen as a healer or whatever for 1000 point Elf armies; other 1000 points are better. Elves are kind of a sweet spot point army, which I guess is hard to rate because there isn't anything else like it. Other armies have small or big versions of their optimal size. I used to be very anti-Emirroon and I still am but not as much. He is definitely not good if you are using him to rush your elf army to a set pod spot, but he's still a Wizard and he's good for soaking damage, and you can pull off some unexpected plays to protect your other Wizards with the teleportation. 10 Years of Gencon/Scapecon Battle Reports - Comic Battle Reports - Probability Calculator App - Reverse the Whip Army Archetypes "It's all about the game." - Sgt. Ernie Calhoun |
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Veggie, since i played you that year, I have abandoned all Emiroon builds when I play elf wizards, subbing in Raelin. More so to get used to not trying to make him work, focusing on set up with raelin and getting the 3 elf hitters set up.
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I'll probably bump up the elves to B. I don't think they're that amazing even in their best build/sweet spot, but they're good. This is also the reason Capuans are B FWIW.
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Also, just got off the phone with infected sloth, and I'm now convinced that Marcu is probably a solid A, and Pulverizer is a B+.
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He has a 7 range SA that can hit multiple times. He's a phenominal cleanup figure, which you're very most likely going to have him for. He also has 6 life (w/ 3 def). 110pt. is really not that expensive, it's not like he's Taelord @ 180. He also works with Microcorp and Nakitas, which aren't bad units at all. I don't see him being any lower than an A-. Also just because he's underplayed is a lame argument to push him down, I think Mohicans are underplayed but it doesn't make them any worse at what they are (~B+). Trons are almost always underplayed, but they're no question top tier. I'm lost at what's 'average' about this figure, Laglor's really good haha Last edited by Cleon; May 10th, 2018 at 02:05 AM. |
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As for Trons, read the companion piece. They aren't close to the best in the current meta; contemplating dropping them to A-. They're not even close to Dwarves or Greenscales in the current meta. Quote:
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It seems like you're valuing him at A in higher point, higher hex games. I don't care about those in these rankings. This is simply based on cost efficiency and consistency in the current meta. Casters of Valhalla: THE Competitive HeroScape Podcast!
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