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New Heroscape Terrain "Quick-Sand" - Collaborate rules

So I think there are a lot of people, including involved in VC & C3G, map makers, tournament directors, and everyday scapers who would love anew terrain type for Heroscape. Well guess what, Magic:AotP gave us a new terrain type (besides Cryptoliths): Quick-Sand



Note this is different paint-job than Heroscape sand, but is 100% compatible. There are only a few pieces in each set:
  • Arena of the Planeswalker Master Set: 2 1-hex sand tiles, 2 3-hex sand tiles (8 hexes)
  • Shadows over Innistrad Master Set: 6 1-hex sand tiles, 3 2-hex sand tiles (cryptolith bases) (12 hexes total, 9 hexes with cryptoliths)
  • Wal-Mart Bonus edition: AotP + Bonus: 1 7-hex sand tile, 2 3-hex sand tiles, 2 2-hex sand tiles 2 1-hex sand tiles (bonus 19 hexes + 8 in original = 27 hexes total)
  • Also note that the sets come with cardboard mats and you may optionally make the sand on the mats be this "quick-sand" or not.
I would love to have agreed upon rules for this new terrain. This would be similar to "slippery ice" or "heavy snow" in that each map that uses the terrain can make the rules optional, but it should give map-makers a new terrain to design around. Eventually I'd like to see a C3V "master set" that uses AotP figures but also maps/scenarios with terrain from the sets using these rules.

So how do we agree on rules? Well here is a suggested process:
  1. Everyone suggest rules based on theoryscape on this thread
  2. People here discuss and debate and help on wording
  3. People actually build maps using some of the suggested terrain rules
  4. People playtest on maps made using rules suggested
  5. Additional discussion & debate, voting if necessary
  6. Final wording clean-up, sign-off

Again, maybe an already made group either C3V/C3G or BoV or other map-making group could do, but I figure I'd rther have this as a public discussion.

So lets start on 1 and 2. GO!!!
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Re: New Heroscape Terrain "Quick-Sand" - Collaborate rules

Suggestions here:
  • When you move onto a quick-sand space, your figure is trapped. The trapped figure cannot move from this space. The figure can move off the quick-sand only if a friendly figure occupies an adjacent space. @Hasbro - Same as Glyph of Proftaka (Pit Trap)
  • Each time a figure without the Slither power moves onto a quicksand space and is not adjacent to a friendly figure, roll a 20-sided die. Add the figure's height to the roll. On a roll of 10 or lower, the figure is trapped and must end its movement this turn. The figure may move off a quick-sand space the following turn. You may count quick-sand as sand or water for special powers of any figure. @lefton4ya , addended by @Astroking112
  • When a non-flying Small or Medium figure moves onto a quick-sand space from a non-quick-sand space, roll the D20. If you roll a 1, that
    figure is destroyed. If you roll a 2-5, that figure receives one wound. If you roll a 6 or higher, nothing happens. @killercactus from Fire Swamp
  • Figures without the Slither power starting their move on quick-sand spaces subtract 3 from their move. Figures on quick-sand spaces cannot target non-adjacent figures for attacks. @Necroblade
  • When you move to quick-sand space from a non quick-sand space, quick-sand must be counted as two spaces when moving. Nerfed version of Heavy Snow that some people house-rule.

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Re: New Heroscape Terrain "Quick-Sand" - Collaborate rules

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Eventually I'd like to see a C3V "master set" that uses AotP figures but also maps/scenarios with terrain from the sets using these rules.
Great minds think alike.

On the topic of the terrain specifically, I actually think that the MtG tiles look like sandstone personally, which doesn't have any effects that immediately come to mind. Quicksand feels like it would be one of the thin tiles to me, if that makes sense.

That said, I did actually have some custom Quicksand terrain rules that I was toying with a long time ago. It's very similar to 2 and 3 from your second post, but with the added caveat that you add that figure's height to your roll. Rolling below an X would either cause a wound or get your figure stuck, but with the added height to your roll larger figures are punished less.
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Re: New Heroscape Terrain "Quick-Sand" - Collaborate rules

Looking through this thread, there are a few good ideas.

I like something simple like, "Figures starting their move on quicksand spaces subtract 3 from their move." As long as you keep moving through it, you're fine, but if you stop it becomes a struggle to get out. Could also maybe add something like "Figures on quicksand spaces cannot target non-adjacent figures for attacks." so ranged figures can't just otherwise essentially ignore the effect.

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Re: New Heroscape Terrain "Quick-Sand" - Collaborate rules

If I had to vote on the currently suggested rules I would go with the ones suggested by @lefton4ya and @Astroking112 . I think if we are involving the d20 that is the correct way to go. I like the way you add the character's height. I involved height in a different way, as you will see below.

I like the idea of quicksand being mostly harmless, yet sometimes deadly. I also think it should affect anyone passing through, rather than only when you begin your turn on it. Moving through quicksand should be a risk/reward based gamble.

Here's my take on it:

Quicksand Terrain Rules:
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When a unit tries to leave or ends their turn on a quicksand space, roll a single combat die. If you roll a Skull, that units gains a Sand marker*. Repeat this process until no skull is rolled. Before moving out of a Quicksand space, your unit must spend Movement to remove that many Sand markers. As long as a unit has a Sand marker, it cannot move away and cannot attack non-adjacent figures. Quicksand tiles counts as Sand spaces for the purpose of special powers.

BURY:
If the number of sand markers on a unit are equal to or greater than its Height value, and that unit has no more Movement to spend, that figure is destroyed. Soulborgs, Elementals, and Undead are unaffected by this ability.
*Note: Sand markers are similar to wound markers. This means that Hero figures can put markers on their Army card, while Squad figures should put the markers by their bases. Markers can be represented by dice or another indicator, as agreed upon by the players.

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Other Rules:
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I broke up my Ability into parts for readability, but if you want a Summary version I went ahead and added that here:

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Quicksand Terrain Rules:

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When a unit tries to leave or ends their turn on a quicksand space, roll a single combat die. If you roll a Skull, that units gains a Sand marker*. Repeat this process until no skull is rolled. Before moving out of a Quicksand space, your unit must spend Movement to remove that many Sand markers. As long as a unit has a Sand marker, it cannot move away and cannot attack non-adjacent figures. Quicksand tiles counts as Sand spaces for the purpose of special powers.

BURY:
If the number of sand markers on a unit are equal to or greater than its Height value, and that unit has no more Movement to spend, that figure is destroyed. Soulborgs, Elementals, and Undead are unaffected by this ability.
That's way too complicated and markers don't go on individual figures.

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Quicksand Terrain Rules:

ENSNARE:
When a unit tries to leave or ends their turn on a quicksand space, roll a single combat die. If you roll a Skull, that units gains a Sand marker*. Repeat this process until no skull is rolled. Before moving out of a Quicksand space, your unit must spend Movement to remove that many Sand markers. As long as a unit has a Sand marker, it cannot move away and cannot attack non-adjacent figures. Quicksand tiles counts as Sand spaces for the purpose of special powers.

BURY:
If the number of sand markers on a unit are equal to or greater than its Height value, and that unit has no more Movement to spend, that figure is destroyed. Soulborgs, Elementals, and Undead are unaffected by this ability.
That's way too complicated and markers don't go on individual figures.
It sounds worse than it is. It might be possible to shrink down though.

In AotP, wound markers for squads go on individual figures. I don't know if any squads in HeroScape have more than 1 life, but if they do I imagine they would be handled the same way.

Anyway, this was just my take on it. My second choice would be the d20 rule by @lefton4ya .

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Re: New Heroscape Terrain "Quick-Sand" - Collaborate rules

Anyone interested in using these terrain tiles in Heroscape may appreciate this project.

Your custom probably has too much Defense.

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