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Old May 12th, 2011, 03:53 PM
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Re: Competitive Heroscape is not dominated by A+

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If you produce the list of tournaments that you've played in I'll give you a squad of heavies for each. Please include the following information for each event:

Format, points, maps, number of attendees, notable members of this board who attended, how you finished, what army you brought, how other members finished, what armies performed well, etc.
I'd like to see proof of how many Heavy Grut squads you possess. Having a map requirement is pretty ridiculous as is notabale members who have attended.

-I did not set up the tournament so I have no idea what maps were used. Yes some tournament threads list the maps being used but not all do

-Who is notable to you? Also you are better off collecting names from the Tournament Director. I have yet to see a regular contestant performing a census on those attending that day
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Re: Competitive Heroscape is not dominated by A+

Yes, that's the standard treatment for trolls and I recommend it here & elsewhere on other boards.

The problem with DA's particular brand of trolling, from my perspective, is that he makes it sound like (a) you need to have units XYZ to win at Heroscape tournaments, (b) Heroscape tournaments are not friendly, open environments, and (c) Heroscape tournaments are no place for the nervous or new player. You and I, Frylock, know better, of course.

I don't really care to change his mind, obviously you can't win an argument with a troll, but it is unacceptable to me that a lurker or impressionable reader might look at his posts, unchallenged, and think that may be what competitive Scape is like.

So even though I know you aren't supposed to argue with trolls, because this particular troll focusses on an issue that affects the life of the hobby, I will take time out of my day to ridicule and refute him.

Maybe I'm wrong, I don't know, but for the event I have coming up in a week and a half I've already been contacted by two guys who are very nervous about coming out to their first Heroscape tournaments.

I have explained to both of them that Heroscape tournaments are friendly and welcoming and you don't need any mastery or special things to come and play and have a good time, and you don't need any particular unit or group of units to win.

Hopefully that's what they needed to hear and they'll be able to come. But who will write that to the local guys in Kansas City? Chicago? Minneapolis?

I can't have him pushing those people indoors when they'll have a good time, and it would be best for the hobby, if they came out and played, or they decided to arrange a game day or a tournament. Me putting him on ignore doesn't help those people.

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Re: Competitive Heroscape is not dominated by A+

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I have explained to both of them that Heroscape tournaments are friendly and welcoming and you don't need any mastery or special things to come and play and have a good time, and you don't need any particular unit or group of units to win.
If anyone fears going to an event because of anything that I have posted then they really have misinterpreted what I have said. Heroscape events are indeed friendly in atmosphere. However, that does not mean that the game itself might or might not be cut throat (depends 100% on who is playing). However, if your goal is to win then some units in deed give you a much better chance than other units. Still, though, even the A+ units are beatable, which is what keeps them at A+ and not broken.
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Re: Competitive Heroscape is not dominated by A+

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If you produce the list of tournaments that you've played in I'll give you a squad of heavies for each. Please include the following information for each event:

Format, points, maps, number of attendees, notable members of this board who attended, how you finished, what army you brought, how other members finished, what armies performed well, etc.
I'd like to see proof of how many Heavy Grut squads you possess. Having a map requirement is pretty ridiculous as is notabale members who have attended.

-I did not set up the tournament so I have no idea what maps were used. Yes some tournament threads list the maps being used but not all do

-Who is notable to you? Also you are better off collecting names from the Tournament Director. I have yet to see a regular contestant performing a census on those attending that day

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Re: Competitive Heroscape is not dominated by A+

What wasn't reasonable about my response, Xraine? The explanation should be interesting. (unless you take census data at events you visit)
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I have explained to both of them that Heroscape tournaments are friendly and welcoming and you don't need any mastery or special things to come and play and have a good time, and you don't need any particular unit or group of units to win.
If anyone fears going to an event because of anything that I have posted then they really have misinterpreted what I have said. Heroscape events are indeed friendly in atmosphere. However, that does not mean that the game itself might or might not be cut throat (depends 100% on who is playing). However, if your goal is to win then some units in deed give you a much better chance than other units. Still, though, even the A+ units are beatable, which is what keeps them at A+ and not broken.
You make heroscape sound like its a pro sport. People should go to tournaments to have fun playing scape with others who enjoy it. When ever I play scape, I want to have fun and use a wide range of figures. Not just A+ units. The game should not be cut throat, No game should be. Even pro athletes like to have fun while competing.

And about your packers reference. I am a HUGE packers fan. Even if I am in Minnesota. I prefer close tight games. Those are the fun,exciting, interesting games I enjoy watching. Sure winning by a lot can be fun, I rather see a game that comes down to the very end.

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Re: Competitive Heroscape is not dominated by A+

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What wasn't reasonable about my response, Xraine? The explanation should be interesting. (unless you take census data at events you visit)
DA, I can easily find the map data, the list of players by HSer ID, what they played, and their records for dozens upon dozens of events, on this very website.

What Dignan is asking for, in other words, is a completely typical tournament summary for the events in question. I could produce everything he asked for for nearly every event I've ever attended. In two cases I would have to PM R˙chean for a complete list of players, but I would definitely do so if it was going to earn me two squads of Heavy Gruts.

It's completely understandable that he would ask for these things, given that he's putting up a rather valuable commodity. If you need to PM TDs to get this information, then PM TDs. It's certainly worth your time.

Or, you know, make excuses and clam up. That works, too.
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Re: Competitive Heroscape is not dominated by A+

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What wasn't reasonable about my response, Xraine? The explanation should be interesting. (unless you take census data at events you visit)
Actually, the biggest event I went to was in 2006 NHSD. I placed third. A couple of maps were Artic Divide, Forsaken Waters. Board members were Primal, noodles, blackrayne1, funrun(who won it with 4th mass & Marcus). Mo came in second with Braxas, Raelin and Brunak. That was right off the top of my head. The way you spout sports stats, it should be easy for you to remember your events, especially since you crush your opponents and win by large margins.

You mean to tell me that at least one or two events don't stand out in your mind like that? Dignan offered a squad per event you could list and I believe he would fulfill his end of the bargain. Would it not be worth to list just a couple of events?

EDIT: Interesting enough for you?

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Re: Competitive Heroscape is not dominated by A+

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If anyone fears going to an event because of anything that I have posted then they really have misinterpreted what I have said. Heroscape events are indeed friendly in atmosphere. However, that does not mean that the game itself might or might not be cut throat (depends 100% on who is playing). However, if your goal is to win then some units in deed give you a much better chance than other units. Still, though, even the A+ units are beatable, which is what keeps them at A+ and not broken.
I would say this is a fairly good example of agreement. In fact I would have to agree with this statement.


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Re: Competitive Heroscape is not dominated by A+

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-I did not set up the tournament so I have no idea what maps were used. Yes some tournament threads list the maps being used but not all do

-Who is notable to you? Also you are better off collecting names from the Tournament Director. I have yet to see a regular contestant performing a census on those attending that day
KC's summary of every tournament I've ever attended with every map I've ever played on and every person with a HSers ID or even a relation to someone with an HSers ID in some cases, including the tournament format and every army I've ever played with or against and my record in each of those events, along with a detailed report of each battle, none of which I celebrated mercilessly destroying an opponent.

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