Hypothetical Battle

[RabSheila]

Originally Posted by Balantai

Justice League Members: (Power Level: JL Unlimited Cartoons)
Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, Martian Manhunter, Flash and Hawkgirl

VS.

Ultimate Avenger Members: (Power Level: Ultimate Avengers Cartoons)
Captian America, Iron Man, Hulk, Wasp, Giant-Man, Thor and Black Widow

Who wins?

I think people are overlooking your power level stipulation. These aren't the comic book characters, but the cartoon ones. Superman is nowhere near as strong on the cartoon. According to the shows creator:

Originally Posted by Bruce Timm

Superman’s a hard character to do, period, because he’s so strong. You don’t want to de-power him to the point where he’s not Superman anymore but, at the same time, if he’s too strong then the stories don’t make sense. If he can turn back time and undo anything horrible that’s happened, then there’s no drama. If he’s so fast that no one can sneak up on him, or so powerful that nobody can knock him down then, again, there’s no drama, there’s no conflict.

[Aldin]

That's a fair complaint, RabShiela. In all honesty I know nothing about the cartoon character version of these Supers.

~Aldin, former comic book geek

[Disposable Hero]

I think it would be close. Iron Man, being Iron Man and Supes being at Toon-level power, would have some gizmo cooked up to at least KO Superman. Hulk is gray, so Green Lantern could eliminate him. Batman would use tear gas to KO Wasp and Giant-Man. Cap would remove Hawkgirl from the playing field with his shield, leaving Thor to use Mljonr on Wonder Woman. Batman counteracts Thor and Cap, leavng him and Iron Man. Batman would use a special rusting dust on Iron Man. Then Deathwalker 9000 comes in and beats the crap out of Batman.

[RabSheila]

Originally Posted by Disposable Hero

Batman counteracts Thor and Cap, leavng him and Iron Man. Batman would use a special rusting dust on Iron Man. Then Deathwalker 9000 comes in and beats the crap out of Batman.

If (emphasis on if) by some fluke Batman was able to take Iron Man out with some "special rusting dust" (remember, this isn't Adam West Batman, but Animated Batman) that would work on Iron Man's state of the art armor, do you really think he couldn't use the same stuff on Deathwalker's inferior suit?

And it's Mjolnir. The last thing you want to do is anger the Thunder God. (although that may be too late by suggesting the Bat could "counteract" him.)

[Odin_Osgard]

Originally Posted by RabSheila

If (emphasis on if) by some fluke Batman was able to take Iron Man out with some "special rusting dust" (remember, this isn't Adam West Batman, but Animated Batman) that would work on Iron Man's state of the art armor, do you really think he couldn't use the same stuff on Deathwalker's inferior suit?

And it's Mjolnir. The last thing you want to do is anger the Thunder God. (although that may be too late by suggesting the Bat could "counteract" him.)

Do you really want to anger Batman? He knows the weaknesses of all the Justice League. You don't think he knows yours?

[RabSheila]

Originally Posted by Odin_Osgard

Do you really want to anger Batman? He knows the weaknesses of all the Justice League. You don't think he knows yours?

After being a member of the League for so long, I would hope Batman would know how to overcome them. He is a reputed genius after all. But for a guy who is so smart, you think he would have had enough sense not to have kept records on their weaknesses so some nut job like Ra's Al Ghul could hack into his computer and steal them. The guy had already broken into the Batcave (learn from your mistakes Batman.) And as far as my weaknesses go, I'm sure Batman could figure them out pretty quickly. All he'd have to do is hang around me for three minutes and figure out Cool Ranch Doritos, Milla Jovovich and a kick in the n***s are my Achilles heel.

[Elginb]

Originally Posted by Balantai

Justice League Members: (Power Level: JL Unlimited Cartoons)
Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, Martian Manhunter, Flash and Hawkgirl

VS.

Ultimate Avenger Members: (Power Level: Ultimate Avengers Cartoons)
Captian America, Iron Man, Hulk, Wasp, Giant-Man, Thor and Black Widow

Who wins?

I'll admit, I don't know the cartoons very well, but I insist on weighing in, anyway. This how I see it playing out:

If the Avengers get initiative:

Iron Man attacks the JLA with a uni-directional sonic blast that knocks out the Flash and Hawkgirl, and stuns everybody but Superman (Batman manages to put in some Bat-earplugs quick enough to stay conscious, but still momentarily out of action).

Superman responds by quickly tearing Iron Man's armor clean off of Tony Stark; but that only gets Superman a Magic Uru hammer flat in the chest from Thor, knocking the Man of Steel out (since Magic is one of Supe's few weaknesses, I'm giving Thor the advantage here).

Green Lantern uses his ring to divert Mjolnir from returning, causing Thor to change back into Donald Blake. Cap yells out "Manuever 36!" and Giant-Man takes a whack at Green Lantern, but is easily fended off. But it was just a distraction! The Wasp (wearing a fashionable yellow number) gets past Green Lantern's defenses, gives him a wasp sting in the ear, then snatches the power ring right off his stunned finger.

Meanwhile, the Martian Manhunter engages Giant Man in a tough battle, but everytime Giant Man tries to grab him, MM shapeshifts out. Whereas the Hulk gets lassoed by Wonder Woman, then tells the truth when he says "Hulk Smash" and promptly wallops Wonder Woman into oblivion... but then the Hulk says "this is all stupid" and leaves the battle altogether. After a bit, Martian Manhunter telepathically tricks Giant-Man into shrinking to ant size, then puts him out of his misery.

With Green Lantern out, Donald Blake makes a mad dash for his magic hammer (now a walking stick), but a recovered Batman stands in his way. But before he can do anything, the Black Widow and Captain America attack. Then ensues an amazing display of martial arts mastery as Batman battles against his two attackers all while periodically kicking the stick just out of Blake's reach. As amazing as Batman is, though, a Wasp's Sting is all the distraction Cap and the Black Widow need to take the Dark Knight out.

Martian Manhunter then swats the tiny Avenger and Captain America and the Black Widow prove to be no match for J'onn J'onnz. But this does give Donald Blake the opening he needs to grab and tap his walking stick-- the Mighty Thor is reborn! Using his magic lightening, he sets the land on fire around Martian Manhunter, burning him to a crisp. And so the Avengers win!

But wait, is that Hal Jordan snatching up the Power Ring that the Wasp dropped? Why yes it is. Green Lantern and Thor proceed to have an epic battle-- two God-like heroes, two titanic wills pitted against one another. Green Lantern's ring is built to protect its bearer from heat of stars, but it is still put under a strain from the onslaught of tornadoes, lightening and hail the Thunder God throws at him. Green Lantern gets his shots in, but in the end, Hal Jordan's merely mortal will-power can't withstand the relentless force of a eon's old God, as Mjolnir finally batters down the power rings defenses and renders the Lantern unconscious.

The victorious Avenger raises his hammer in victory, but not without giving due credit to his valiant opponents.


If the JLA gets initiative:

The Flash quickly takes out Cap, the Wasp and Black Widow. Giant Man then swats the Flash, but he's quickly taken out by Wonder Woman and the Martian Manhunter. Thor brings down the lightning and takes out Batman and Hawkgirl, but merely jolts everybody else... everybody else, that is, but Superman, who quickly beats the Tar out of the Thundergod. the Hulk then takes on the Man of Steel and leaves Iron Man to take out the others. Iron Man makes valiant effort, but the combined forces of Wonder Woman, Green Lantern and the Martian Manhunter can't be stopped. Then everybody gangs up on the Hulk, who puts up a tremendous fight. Nobody seems to be able to defeat the other until J'onn J'onnz decides to use his telepathy to calm the Hulk down and turn him back into Bruce Banner. The JLA wins decisively!

[Disposable Hero]

Before I present my alternate idea, I'd like to say that if you've read some of the really, really, really old Avengers comics, you'd know that back when Namor was a bad guy, he used a special pellet on Iron Man that stiffened the joints of his armor. That's basically the intended effect of the rusting powder.

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Round 1:

Spoiler Alert!

The Flash tries to pull out Iron Man's power cables. However, Iron Man gets him in a full nelson, flies ino the air, and then dropkicks the Flash all the way to the ground.

Score: 1-0, Avengers.

Round 2:

Spoiler Alert!

Batman tries to take out Cap. He distracts Cap with a Batarang to the hand and then kicks him in the face, ties him up with a spare patgrapple, and attaches him to a flagpole, telling Cap that he has a sense of irony.

Score: 1-1, tied.

Round 3:

Spoiler Alert!

Giant Man turns giant and steps on Hawkgirl.

Score: 2-1, Avengers.

Round 4:

Spoiler Alert!

Green Lantern tries his hand at stunning/killing Iron Man but fails becuse all the red p[arts are thicker than the yellow. Iron Man takes advantage and removes GL from the playing field by taking his ring and wearing it, thereby making him Iron Lantern/Green Man.

Score: 3-1, Avengers.

Round 5:

Spoiler Alert!

Batman puts tear gas into the serum hat allows for size changing. Giant Man and Wasp are KO'd.

Score: 3-3, Justie League gaining.

Round 6:

Spoiler Alert!

Thor uses lightning on Wonder Woman and KO's her, but Batman sneaks up on Thor and takes him out. Since he's worthy, he picks up the hammer and hs THOR POWERS!!!!!!

Score: 4-4, still tied up.

Round 7:

Spoiler Alert!

Hulk beats up Superman but loses and is thrown halfway to China.

Score: 5-4, League.

Round 8:

Spoiler Alert!

Martian Manhunter probes Black Widow's mind and takes her out, but gets his little martian fanny handed to him by Iron Lantern/Green Man/ Green Iron Man.

Score: 6-5, League.

Round 9:

Spoiler Alert!

Iron Man uses his green lantern ring to zap Superman all the way to thwe next galaxy after Andromeda because his ring is jacked up to his armor, which has a green lantern battery attached to it for extra juice.

Score: 6-6, with the final decision going to Iron lantern vs. Bat-Thor.

Round 10:

Spoiler Alert!

Bat-Thor and Iron Lantern go at it and create an explosion of energy, but the last man standing is Bat-Thor, because he has Mjolnr.

Score: 7-6, League.

[RabSheila]

Originally Posted by Disposable Hero

I'd like to say that if you've read some of the really, really, really old Avengers comics, you'd know that back when Namor was a bad guy, he used a special pellet on Iron Man that stiffened the joints of his armor. That's basically the intended effect of the rusting powder.

Yeah, that happened in Avengers #3. He used a gun that fired an “emery dust pellet.” I think Iron Man’s armor has gone through a few upgrades since the 1960's.

[chas]

If DC wins: Marvel heroes sulk, complain to their Significant Others, get drunk, and go into therapy.

If Marvel wins: Marvel heroes sulk, complain to their Significant Others, get drunk, and go into therapy.

[RabSheila]

Originally Posted by chas

If DC wins: Marvel heroes sulk, complain to their Significant Others, get drunk, and go into therapy.

If Marvel wins: Marvel heroes sulk, complain to their Significant Others, get drunk, and go into therapy.

What's it like to work for DC comics?

[jschild]

Originally Posted by Balantai

Justice League Members: (Power Level: JL Unlimited Cartoons)
Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, Martian Manhunter, Flash and Hawkgirl

VS.

Ultimate Avenger Members: (Power Level: Ultimate Avengers Cartoons)
Captian America, Iron Man, Hulk, Wasp, Giant-Man, Thor and Black Widow

Who wins?

DC because they insist on overpowering all their characters to such a degree they are boring as all get out. DC ruins all their characters because they literally have no reasonable limits and generally one stupid weakness. For example.

Superman - about a gazillion powers, to such a degree he is virtually unstoppable. Only 2 real weaknesses - Magic and Kryponite - Thor is only Avenger with a chance of beating him, thanks to wonderful magic hammer that Supes can probably pick up.

Batman - Greatest fighter, detective, super genius, in the DC universe. Has virtually unlimited money. Given time, could beat anyone in the Avengers though many could easily beat him first fight with no prep.

Wonder Woman - Rivals Superman in strength, but nowhere as durable. Only threats are Hulk and Thor and she is physically stronger than either.

Green Lantern - Only weakness is yellow, but his power level is again shown to be close to supes, though more limited and far more fragile. Would be difficult for anyone other than Thor to beat (he could easily pick and throw hulk with no threat to himself).

Martian Manhunter - Psychic abilities, phasing like the vision, near Supes strength makes him virtually unbeatable except for Hulk (psychics tend to have a hard time due to his rage) or Thor.

Flash - He can freaking run the speed of light DC. THE SPEED OF LIGHT!!!!!!!! Could beat Cap, Wasp, and Black Widow in about a nano second.

Hawkgirl - The only easy one to beat, she'd be toast the second she pitted her mace against Thor's hammer.

Seriously, DC's have always had weaker (story wise) heroes for the most part because they make their heroes too powerful.

I've always preferred Marvel's method, which tends to limit the power so that they can be more interesting. IE, Captain America is a superior leader, probably in slightly better physical shape, and about an equal fighter to Batman. He is not the greatest detective, a super level genius and a billionaire however. Cap is still far more limited and thus, easier to tell a story without having to come up with silly contrivances to explain how he can be in danger of being beaten. Best thing they did in the new Batman movies was remove the brains from Batman - he's not smart but he's not perfect either. Plus they get that Bruce Wayne is the mask and not Batman.

Thor uses lightning on Wonder Woman and KO's her, but Batman sneaks up on Thor and takes him out. Since he's worthy, he picks up the hammer and hs THOR POWERS!!!!!!

Score: 4-4, still tied up.

How exactly does Batman "take out" Thor? And he would not be worthy. Remember, this is a man who has planned out how to stop every major hero in the DC universe. Supes could pick up the hammer, but Batman could not. You have to hit a special level of worthiness to truly be able to do it.