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Old June 19th, 2014, 10:57 AM
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Re: The Book of Jackal(Design Phase)

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Re: The Book of Jackal(Design Phase)

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Old June 19th, 2014, 05:57 PM
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Re: The Book of Jackal(Design Phase)

We have our first ERB.
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Obvious point of comparison is Arnim Zola. Compared to Zola, you get unlimited cloning instead of 1 per game, and you can bring back Mutates as well (including big uglies like the Hulk). On the flip side, the autowounds hurt with any OM-hungry figure. Arnim Zola also has 2 more life, and his other powers are probably a touch better than Jackal's (although similarly situational).

Long story short, I think a sub-200 price point will work here. He's going to be pretty nasty in high point games where he can just sit back and repeatedly bring back heroes unless your opponent chases him down.

Odd note - Hugo Strange can negate Cellular Degeneration for a round with Mutagenic Experiment. Not so useful though.

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NAME = JACKAL

SECRET IDENTITY = MILES WARREN

SPECIES = MUTATE
UNIQUENESS = UNIQUE HERO
CLASS = SCIENTIST
PERSONALITY = INSANE

SIZE/HEIGHT = MEDIUM 4

LIFE = 4

MOVE = 6
RANGE = 1
ATTACK = 4
DEFENSE = 4

POINTS = ?

EXPERIMENTAL CLONING 16
Before placing Order Markers for any round, you may choose any previously destroyed Unique Human, Mutate, or Clone Hero and roll the 20-sided die. If you roll 16 or higher, remove all Wound Markers from the chosen Hero’s Army Card and place the chosen Hero on any empty space adjacent to Jackal. You now control the chosen Hero, and it has the species of Clone and the class of Experiment instead of what is listed on its card.

DRUG TIPPED CLAWS
After attacking an adjacent figure with Jackal's normal attack, if the defending figure received one or more wounds but was not destroyed, you may roll the 20-sided die. If you roll 14 or higher, remove one Order Marker at random from the defending figure's card. Androids, Constructs, and Destructible Objects are not affected by Drug Tipped Claws.

CELLULAR DEGENERATION
After taking a turn with a Clone Experiment you control, roll an unblockable attack die against that figure. At the end of the round, roll an unblockable attack die one at a time for each Clone Experiment you control. You must roll for Cellular Degeneration even while Jackal is destroyed.
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Old June 19th, 2014, 08:12 PM
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Re: The Book of Jackal(Design Phase)

Here's david's thoughts.
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Jackal

Dr. Jackal and Mr. Hide!

Experimental Clowning 16
Similar to Arnim Zola’s Cloning 16, though you can possibly clone more than one figure if the d20 is hot.

Drug-Tripped Clams
Nice way to slow down a figure.

Cellar “D” Generation
Nice weakness. It will be important that Clone Experiments are never actually designed as units to avoid conflict with this ability.

Final Thoughts
I like the theme of bringing back figures that can deteriorate over time.
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Re: The Book of Jackal(Design Phase)

That weakness definitely helps.

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Re: The Book of Jackal(Design Phase)

Here's Margloth's reply.
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Looks ok to me. Definitely a later game piece, but since his cloning power doesn't require an OM, he doesn't feel as "high maintenance" as some of these figures do. It is a bit strange thematically that the figures have to be destroyed, as his most (in)famous contribution to the Spidey mythos is creating a second Spidey, but I understand mechanically why you chose to do so.

My final ccomment is it might be fun to allow him to "double-up" on cloned heroes (provided the wording wouldn't be too crazy). So if both teams are fielding Peter Parker and you destroy your opponent's, the fact that you have one doesn't stop you from cloning another? Maybe something along the lines of "the cloned figure no longer is considered to have a Secret Identity"?
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NAME = JACKAL

SECRET IDENTITY = MILES WARREN

SPECIES = MUTATE
UNIQUENESS = UNIQUE HERO
CLASS = SCIENTIST
PERSONALITY = INSANE

SIZE/HEIGHT = MEDIUM 4

LIFE = 4

MOVE = 6
RANGE = 1
ATTACK = 4
DEFENSE = 4

POINTS = ?

EXPERIMENTAL CLONING 16
Before placing Order Markers for any round, you may choose any previously destroyed Unique Human, Mutate, or Clone Hero and roll the 20-sided die. If you roll 16 or higher, remove all Wound Markers from the chosen Hero’s Army Card and place the chosen Hero on any empty space adjacent to Jackal. You now control the chosen Hero, and it has the species of Clone and the class of Experiment instead of what is listed on its card.

DRUG TIPPED CLAWS
After attacking an adjacent figure with Jackal's normal attack, if the defending figure received one or more wounds but was not destroyed, you may roll the 20-sided die. If you roll 14 or higher, remove one Order Marker at random from the defending figure's card. Androids, Constructs, and Destructible Objects are not affected by Drug Tipped Claws.

CELLULAR DEGENERATION
After taking a turn with a Clone Experiment you control, roll an unblockable attack die against that figure. At the end of the round, roll an unblockable attack die one at a time for each Clone Experiment you control. You must roll for Cellular Degeneration even while Jackal is destroyed.
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Re: The Book of Jackal(Design Phase)

I think doubling up on certain figures could very well create unintended competitive imbalances that we'd be better off avoiding.

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Re: The Book of Jackal(Design Phase)

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I think doubling up on certain figures could very well create unintended competitive imbalances that we'd be better off avoiding.
Agreed. It'd be a lot of fun thematically, but I really worry about it mechanically. For example, being able to have both Red Arrow and Speedy (Roy) on your team could be awfully strong since they both could use Speed Shot.

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Re: The Book of Jackal(Design Phase)

Something like that is definitely doable, but it'd have to be very carefully considered and factored into the cost and would probably take over the design in unintended ways.

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Re: The Book of Jackal(Design Phase)

I like the idea of it, although I could easily see it getting out of control.

Maybe even just specifying an opponents' figure could help with that? It would make it less likely to get really broken combos since you couldn't plan them ahead of time.

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Re: The Book of Jackal(Design Phase)

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I like the idea of it, although I could easily see it getting out of control.

Maybe even just specifying an opponents' figure could help with that? It would make it less likely to get really broken combos since you couldn't plan them ahead of time.
Well that wouldn't work cause the only time you could double up on heroes is when you controlled one and your opponent controlled the same hero, you kill theirs and clone it making you have 2 of the same hero.

The easy way to fix it is just to say that the Clone Experiments do not have a secret identity if that's a route we want to go but I agree it's definitely risky.
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I like the idea of it, although I could easily see it getting out of control.

Maybe even just specifying an opponents' figure could help with that? It would make it less likely to get really broken combos since you couldn't plan them ahead of time.
Well that wouldn't work cause the only time you could double up on heroes is when you controlled one and your opponent controlled the same hero, you kill theirs and clone it making you have 2 of the same hero.

The easy way to fix it is just to say that the Clone Experiments do not have a secret identity if that's a route we want to go but I agree it's definitely risky.
Bah, sorry. Mixed up what he was saying, thought he was calling for being able to clone living characters as well. Never mind me, just passing through.

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