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Old December 3rd, 2006, 09:50 PM
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Glyph of Rannveig (Wind) and Stealth Flying

There was some discussion in the Wave 6 thread about whether or not the Wind Glyph would affect figures with Stealth Flying. Here's the wording of the glyph:

All figures with the Flying special power lose this power and cannot fly while standing on the Glyph of Rannveig.

I think it should affect them (and likely will be ruled that way) but a strict reading of the glyph's wording could be argued that it doesn't affect them. What are your thoughts?
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Old December 3rd, 2006, 10:00 PM
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I would say it does not since Flying and Stealth Flying are different abilities
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Well my take on it is that it does affect their flying but not their disengage. Probelm with that is it is one abilty and my peception is splitting it into two abilites, which of course it isnt.

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on a technicality, no, i don't think it would effect them, but agree with you, nether, that it should effect them, and it probably will be ruled that it does. Unless hasbro purposely changed the name of it, instead of wording it like Taelord's for this specific reason, which is not completely unlikely
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Old December 3rd, 2006, 10:08 PM
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It will stop them from flying and since they only get disengage while flying....it doesn't work either until the glyph is deactivated.

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I would assume they made a distinction between flying and stealth flying only for simplicity when looking at your card. Seeing Stealth, you automatically know they can disengage without rolling. It is like Net 14. You remember the power but can never remember what you have to roll. By putting it in the title, you don't have to read through all the cards to remember who can diesngage and who can't.

Now having said this, Flying is flying. If the Wind Glyph makes it so Windy you can't fly, it really doesn't matter how stealthy you are does it. You still can't fly.

As far as being able to disengage though.....I have no idea. My vote would be they can not. I think part of the assumption of disengaging would be that they would fly away since it is part of the same power. If they can't fly, they shouldn't be able to disengage without rolling.

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The last part of the wording for Stealth Flying states:

"When <unit name> starts to fly, if <he/she> is engaged <he/she> will not take any leaving engagement attacks."

If they can't fly, the don't get to disengage safely.

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I would have to agree with LilNewbie. The Glyph of Rannveig negates their flying and their "disengage" ability. Stealth Flying is still Flying but it is not Disengage.

The Imps can only disengage without a roll if they fly. Taelord, on the other hand, can disengage without a roll however he chooses to move because he has Disengage as per the official FAQ.

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While Flying and Stealth Flying are simliar they are two different powers. This is why I think it could be argued that with a strict reading of the glyph's wording that it would not affect Stealth Flying as it is not "the flying special power."

Just as an example of what I mean, what if there was a glyph that negated Cyberclaw. Would it also stop Improved Cyberclaw from working?
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While Flying and Stealth Flying are simliar they are two different powers. This is why I think it could be argued that with a strict reading of the glyph's wording that it would not affect Stealth Flying as it is not "the flying special power."

Just as an example of what I mean, what if there was a glyph that negated Cyberclaw. Would it also stop Improved Cyberclaw from working?
I would say yes. Both are Cyberclaw even if one is "improved". What if you had a glyph that stopped Mindshackle? Would it affect both 19 and 20.

I know that is a little different but, I look at it as "Improved" and "Stealth" modifying the Cyberclaw and Flying powers just like 19 or 20 modifies the Mindshackle power.

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I agree with Lilnewb, but before this ends up being 20+ pages long let's just send it in and wait instead of kibitzing it shall we?


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