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Balancing Prebuilt Armies that don't all fit the point limit
I suppose it doesn't matter too much in a casual format, mainly with beginners, and with a definite lack of optimised synergy, and for example some common squads in singletons, but for the sake of a rough ballpark idea, if you've preselected some groups around 500 points but some of them are a bit over the 500, what are the best, easiest ways to throw in something to "even" it up a bit? Just use "points killed" as a final score, or is there some way to beef up, or nerf some units, or use initiative or glyphs etc (I dont know if there are point values associated with glyphs, seems doubtful).
Is it possible for example to put a wound on a common squad with 4 units and then "count" its points as 3/4 of the total? (as a quick example)? |
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Re: Balancing Prebuilt Armies that don't all fit the point l
We used to use pre-built armies quite a bit and it is more than points you have to consider.
The lowest point army could be the most powerful. Do you have a list of armies? I think Keep what you Kill scoring is a pretty fare way to determine a victor in a multi-player game. A cloud can change its semblance, yet retain its will With the intimacy of destruction, One knows what it is to be alive The empty sky holds no reflection, for sorrow - Eslo Rudkey |
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Re: Balancing Prebuilt Armies that don't all fit the point l
Well met! If one army is a bit over, 10 points or so, and is weak (or the player is), and all the other players are OK with it (no one being a pr¥€£), no problem. Otherwise, rebuild, or give all the other players the extra points to add to (Isamu?) or modify (replace Valguard with the Airborne Elite?) their armies. |
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Re: Balancing Prebuilt Armies that don't all fit the point l
Yeah, I think mostly the problems are from trying to keep things too "in theme", I ended up with 28 armies close to 500 points but even I can see that some look loads better than others
1 Tor-Kul-Na 1 Kee-Mo-Shi 1 Marrden Hounds 1 Marro Drudge 1 Marro Drudge 2 Su-Bak-Na 2 Tul-Bak-Ra 2 Marro Stingers 2 Marro Stingers 2 Marro Dividers 2 Marro Drones 3 Wo-Sa-Ga 3 Grok Riders 3 Ne-Gok-Sa 3 Marro Warriors 3 Me-Burq-Sa 3 Marrden Nagrubs 3 Marrden Nagrubs 4 Marro Hive 4 Marro Hive -to be used primarily as terrain 5 Kato Katsuro 5 Tagawa Samurai 5 Kozuke Samurai 5 Tagawa Samurai Archers 5 Izumi Samurai 5 Isamu 6 Kaemon Awa 6 Moriko 6 Ninjas of the Northern Wind 6 Kumiko 6 Shaolin Monks 6 Shiori 6 Otonashi 7 Atlaga the Kyrie Warrior 7 Protectors of Ullar 7 Protectors of Ullar 7 Saylind the Kyrie Warrior 7 Theracus 7 Syvarris 8 Concan the Kyrie Warrior 8 Kelda the Kyrie Warrior 8 Sentinels of Jandar 8 Sentinels of Jandar 8 Raelin the Kyrie Warrior v2 8 Raelin the Kyrie Warrior v1 - pick one of the Raelin sculpts only 9 Taelord the Kyrie Warrior 9 Minions of Utgar 9 Minions of Utgar 9 Runa 10 Einar Imperium 10 Einar Imperium 10 Empress Kiova 10 Sonlen 11 Zetacron 11 Omnicron Repulsors 11 Omnicron Snipers 11 Omnicron Snipers 11 Sgt. Drake Alexander v1 11 Deathstalkers 11 Sgt. Drake Alexander v2 - pick one of the sculpts only 12 Major Q9 12 Major Q10 12 Major X17 12 Blastatrons 12 Blastatrons 13 Deathwalker 9000 13 Deathwalker 8000 13 Deathwalker 7000 13 Zettian Guards 13 Deathreavers 13 Deathreavers 14 Agent Carr 14 Krav Maga Agents 14 Nakita Agents 14 Airborne Elite 14 Sgt. Drake Alexander v1 15 Charos 15 Venoc Warlord 15 Venoc Vipers 15 Venoc Vipers 15 Venoc Vipers 15 Venoc Vipers 16 Mimring 16 Fen Hydra 16 Armoc Vipers 16 Armoc Vipers 16 Elite Onyx Vipers 17 Braxas 17 Dund 17 Sudema 17 Shades of Bleakwoode 18 Zelrig 18 Brunak 18 Dumutef Guard 18 Granite Guardians 18 Obsidian Guards 19 Dzu-Teh 19 Evar Scarcarver 19 Frost Giant of Morh 19 Greater Ice Elemental 19 Ice Troll Berserker 20 Spartacus 20 Crixus 20 Sacred Band 20 Sacred Band 20 Sacred Band 20 Parmenio 21 Marcus Decimus Gallus 21 Master of the Hunt 21 Roman Archers 21 Roman Archers 21 Roman Legionnaires 21 Roman Legionnaires 21 Roman Legionnaires 22 Nilfheim 22 Eldgrim the Viking Champion 22 Finn the Viking Champion 22 Tarn Viking Warriors 22 Thorgrim the Viking Champion 22 Valguard 23 Knights of Weston 23 Knights of Weston 23 Knights of Weston 23 Sir Gilbert 23 Sir Denrick 23 4th Massachusetts Line 23 10th Regiment of Foot 24 Sir Hawthorne 24 Rhogar Dragonspine 24 Sir Dupuis 24 Templar Cavalry 24 Iron Golem 25 Krug 25 Arrow Gruts 25 Blade Gruts 25 Grimnak 25 Heavy Gruts 25 Swog Rider 25 Tornak 26 Jotun 26 Horned Skull Brutes 26 Horned Skull Brutes 26 Horned Skull Brutes 26 Death Chasers of Thesk 27 Shurrak 27 Torin 27 Feral Troll 27 Mind Flayer Mastermind 28 Ogre Pulverizer 28 Ogre Warhulk 28 Gurei-Oni 28 Eltahale |
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Re: Balancing Prebuilt Armies that don't all fit the point l
Well met! I take it that this constitutes your entire collection? Quote:
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Re: Balancing Prebuilt Armies that don't all fit the point l
My classic meta is not what it used to be but it is not a horrible mix.
Some are certainly much stronger. I would give newer players one of the stronger builds and have more experienced players pick random. We use to keep track of what we played and we could veto any army we had previously played. A cloud can change its semblance, yet retain its will With the intimacy of destruction, One knows what it is to be alive The empty sky holds no reflection, for sorrow - Eslo Rudkey |
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Re: Balancing Prebuilt Armies that don't all fit the point l
Yeah this is everything I have. If anything I would be quite happy to sell on a few units since money is a bit tight at home, and I ended up collecting too much variety perhaps (though I did sell off quite a bit before so I used to have a lot more squad multiples).
I'm not getting rid of the big expensive dragons since I feel like I always want them to be a centrepiece, and I'm not buying any new units since (as an example) if I want the Greenscale combo with a dragon I will just use the viper minis and the greenscale stat cards and have the Fen Hydra as the lizardfolk leader etc, same thing with using my huge bag of spare Krav Maga as Microcorp, Vikings as Axegrinders etc. @kolakoski , what would you rebuild from scratch? @Tornado , yeah exactly I dont mind if some of them are quite a bit stronger, sometimes I will be playing with the kids so then its no bother, and total noobs, but Id also thought about adding wounds to some cards etc etc just to tone down any army that seems to be winning with ease all the time |
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Re: Balancing Prebuilt Armies that don't all fit the point l
In that case I would just pick the armies for everyone at first. The fewer the cards, the better.
We used to play 400 point armies when we first started and I would always give new players Braxas and Nilfheim. Straight forward to run and super fun. A cloud can change its semblance, yet retain its will With the intimacy of destruction, One knows what it is to be alive The empty sky holds no reflection, for sorrow - Eslo Rudkey |
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Re: Balancing Prebuilt Armies that don't all fit the point l
Well met! Quote:
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Re: Balancing Prebuilt Armies that don't all fit the point l
8-12 should be more than enough if you can be bothered, but really anything beyond 0 is a help isnt it
. I appreciate your time helping with this! |
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Re: Balancing Prebuilt Armies that don't all fit the point l
It would be just as useful if you could highlight which of the units in my collection would be "best" to get rid of (because they're commons with not enough to be useful, or because they're not useful with the stuff I have etc etc). If I can raise a bit of money but still keep a decent "play with the kids" core I'd be happy, I'll have a look at the figures again also and post some thoughts I have about stuff I could get rid of
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Re: Balancing Prebuilt Armies that don't all fit the point l
Well met! "It would be just as useful if you could highlight which of the units in my collection would be "best" to get rid of (because they're commons with not enough to be useful, or because they're not useful with the stuff I have etc etc). If I can raise a bit of money but still keep a decent "play with the kids" core I'd be happy, I'll have a look at the figures again also and post some thoughts I have about stuff I could get rid of" ~ekoxe1 Quote:
** Means they are relatively rare and/or expensive, but I'd endeavor to get more of them, as they are good units. *** Means these single squads are relatively rare and/or expensive, and they are of particular interest to me. * Means they are generally considered to suck. I'd sell them if I were you. * Means that they are relatively inexpensive and easy to get, and really good units, too. Buy more. ** Means either sell these (Blastatrons) or buy Gladiatrons to go with them. Both are rare and expensive. * Means really rare. I'd keep them, but you may want to sell one or more for big bucks. I'd keep everything else. I'd also consider trading on this site. That's what I did with a number of the units I suggested you buy or sell, above. |
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