The Book of General Zod

[japes]

Originally Posted by Ronin

yea to the version excluding Non from the second bullet, nay to the one including him.

Excluding Non wasn't an oversight, it was a decision, and I don't feel the need to 'correct' it.

Throwing Brutes into Zod's power doesn't really do anything for me thematically and it's taking the spotlight away from the Kryptonian Soldiers in a way I don't like. This Zod synergy is the Kryptonian Soldiers' one thing. Letting Non overshadow them in the one place they should be relevant would be a real bummer.

FWIW,
I agree with Ronin. The reason we are even talking about Zod is to make the soldiers relevant.

[Karat]

Originally Posted by Lazy Orang

I think you mean Non, chap.

For sure. Thanks.

[Karat]

Originally Posted by japes

FWIW,
I agree with Ronin. The reason we are even talking about Zod is to make the soldiers relevant.

Good points. I agree.

[Lazy Orang]

They'd still be relevant even with Non around, though - it's a double turn and he's the only other figure you could use. To even make use of it at all you'd need one Soldier, and you'd need more than one if you wanted anyone to replace the front line once someone falls. Right now it's just a bit generic and boring since he can only double bond a singe unit.

[johnny139]

Nay. I don't see the point in an overhaul here when a tweak to align with designer intent and a point drop may well be sufficient.

[quozl]

Originally Posted by quozl

I propose we reevaluate General Zod with the following modification:

Yeas: me, Scape, LO, Karat, Ronin, japes
Nays: johnny
Abstaining: IAmBatman

[IAmBatman]

I won't vote, because I can't, but I'd be a yea.

[MrNobody]

Know I’m not a voting member here, but I think the Non idea at least deserves some more discussion before it’s completely forgotten. Everything LO says is true; it gives new life to an extremely thematic pairing, allows for a tiny bit more army building variation, and because there’s only one Non it can never really eliminate the usefulness of the Soldiers.

Thematically, Zod, Non, and Ursa are a trio. Zod having harder synergy to one and not another has always been a little weird to me. Maybe it’s just that my vision of them is so strongly defined by the Reeves movie, but it feels like a Reed Richards card having specific callouts to Sue and Johnny on his card, then just shoving Ben into the general Adventurer synergy. It lacks symmetry.

It’s probably a bit farther than past retcons have ever gone, but I figure it’s worth at least some solid discussion instead of just being looked over because another proposition passed.

[Ronin]

Originally Posted by MrNobody

Thematically, Zod, Non, and Ursa are a trio. Zod having harder synergy to one and not another has always been a little weird to me. ... It lacks symmetry.

The change you're asking for looks like it creates this problem more than it solves it, to me.

If you're after that Reeves movie feel, I'd bug johnny to tackle that Zod (II). I think it's more in line with what you're looking for in the character.

[johnny139]

Also for reference - Zod and Ursa are married in the comics and often show up together without Non nowadays (and often with their son, Lor-Zod, to complete the trio).

[Yodaking]

Just trying to look at some army options with Zod left at 380 since it's been a long time since I've fielded them.

Zod 380
Non 330
Ursa 230.....940
Kryptonian Infiltrator 160 ....1100
Kryptonian Solider x2 400 ....1500

Zod 380
Doomsday 390
Ursa 230 .........1000
Kryptonian Solider x3 600 ....1600

Zod 380
Kryptonian Infiltrator x2 320
Kryptonian Soldier x2 400 .....1100

If we are retesting him, I'd try him out at 370 so he could block up with either Non or Ursa as both end in 30 points. I'd also shave 10 points off the Krytonian Infiltrator so you could actually build up in blocks of 200 (Soldier) or 300 (for 2 Infiltrators) into what ever army size you are playing.

Zod 370
Ursa 230 ....600
Kryptonian Soldier x2 400 .....1000 (or x3 for 1200)

Zod 370
Non 330 .....700
Kryptonian Infiltrators x2 300 .....1000 (+ x3 Soldiers for 1600)

Less easy to build up with, but you could instead shave 10 points off the Soldier (who isn't worth 200 points on his own) and leave the Infiltrators as is for a block featuring 2 of each for 700.

Zod 370
Non 330 or Ursa 230
Kryptonian Infiltrators x2 320
Kryptonian Soldiers x2 380 .........1400 or 1300

This Zod design just doesn't seem like the Zod/Ursa/Non army on it's own card, for that I think he will need a new card that doesn't utilize the Uncommon Kryptonians at all.

[MrNobody]

Fair points, all.