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Re: The Book of Super Soldier (Breathing)

No, he's actually human. I was leaning toward Metahuman if human was not acceptable.
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Re: The Book of Super Soldier (Breathing)

According to the character bio, he's a human who was injected with a super soldier serum based on alien DNA and then irradiated with solar radiation.

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Re: The Book of Super Soldier (Breathing)

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Re: The Book of Super Soldier (Breathing)

Awesome design.

Man of War is really strong, I’d consider taking that down to 6 attack.
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Re: The Book of Super Soldier (Breathing)

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Re: The Book of Super Soldier (Breathing)

Just powered through the 2 issues I found on him. I definitely think getting him under Supes would be ideal. By the second book (the one in modern times), he mentions that the serum is failing and he’s slowly losing his powers.

I don’t think they ever directly say his shield is Vibranium, but I think that’s worth handwaving just for the cool factor of having a Supes power and a Cap power.

I’d go Human over Mutate or Metahuman, just for Cap parity.
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Re: The Book of Super Soldier (Breathing)

Dropping his life down to 6 would shave 30 points off per the calculator as well.

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Re: The Book of Super Soldier (Breathing)

It's a little odd to me that a mix of Cap and Superman has no inspirational powers. I'd have thought that'd be a shoe-in.
That being said, blanks as skulls is a fun idea as a Superman mirror.


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Re: The Book of Super Soldier (Breathing)

Any chance he would qualify for something other than Soldier? A 500 point Soldier could drive up the cost of Soldier synergy, that's twice what Cap America is at and he's boosting other units as part of his cost. Was thinking maybe Champion could work if he's suppose to be a Superman riff. A 500 point unit fits better into the JL synergy web than a future GI Joe synergy web.
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Re: The Book of Super Soldier (Breathing)

I'd say he's a Mutate. He's beyond "peak human" which is usually our barrier for that sort of thing, but he's also clearly not a "metamutant" or whatever either.

I agree that Defense could come down. Honestly, probably Attack as well, down to 6. And then turn the Life dial. Can't speak to what his power level "should be" though as I haven't read the comic, but him being above most of our Supermen seems too high... like low-400s.
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I'd say he's a Mutate. He's beyond "peak human" which is usually our barrier for that sort of thing, but he's also clearly not a "metamutant" or whatever either.
It's a bit of a cheat/extrapolation, but what about Metamutate? It might not technically exist as a designation, but if 'born with superpowers' people are Metamutants in Amalgam, it makes sense as being the designation they probably should have.


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Re: The Book of Super Soldier (Breathing)

At first glance I think this writeup needs quite a bit more pop. Right now he's essentially just Superman II, with a slightly different defense mechanic. Not all that terribly interesting. Also you picked the most boring part of Captain America's card to represent, in my opinion. I read up on these books also, and definitely have some thoughts.

First off, he technically has heat vision sure, but unless I missed something he never uses it in combat. Once was during his origin and once was to melt an iceberg for some reason. That's it. In combat he strictly hand-to-hand, so I think that's how we should tackle the mechanics here.

He's very much inspired by golden age Cap, down to him being frozen in ice. Yes he has powers much like Superman, but even his Superman side is more golden age than not, so his power level should come way down. I'd say low-to-mid 300s. He has no huge feats in the book aside from apparently just having Superman's powers. He fights normal soldiers, Hydra agents, and a big robot. No evidence of huge cosmic threats or anything. The biggest non-event cosmic heavy hitters are upper 400's and 500's, I see no reason he should be on that level.

What I think is missing is one of the most iconic things from BOTH sides: the symbol of hope that both Cap and Superman represent. I think we absolutely need this guy to be a leader.

I'd go something like this:

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While there is a revealed Order Marker on this card, any figure you control within 5 clear sight spaces of Super Soldier adds 1 extra die to its normal attack when attacking an adjacent figure.

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If a figure you control receives any wounds from an opponent's attack, you may move all Order Markers from other Army Cards you control to this card. If you move at least one Order Marker, the opponent's turn immediately ends.
Leadership bonus similar to Cap, and Duty similar to Superman, which encourages you to spread OMs around, but then he can interrupt squads or multi-attackers or bonders to try to protect whoever is in trouble. Also if we allow movement of revealed OMs, then it combos with Man of War so you don't have to always have OM 1 on Super Soldier for the attack bonus. We can class change him to Leader to discourage Star-Lord, but I do get wanting to go Soldier (Champion would obviously work too, but I'd lean Soldier for the character).

I'd definitely add either Man of Steel or the Shield power, but I don't care which one as neither are super iconic for him. He doesn't really block with the shield much, he's durable anyway. And of course you can tweak those suggestions as needed.

And like I said, tweak stats to get him mid-300's would feel the best to me after reading the books.
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