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Re: [Pod 0] Honored Soul-Guides (Lantern Geists) - Design
For the sake of simplicity I probably lean slightly toward the Journey through the Underworld version, but I also like the version in the OP (Last Will/Unfinished Business) as well and would be happy to move forward with that if others preferred it.
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Re: [Pod 0] Honored Soul-Guides (Lantern Geists) - Design
Hopefully doing some testing today. Can try to test both versions. We may need to put this to a vote.
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Re: [Pod 0] Honored Soul-Guides (Lantern Geists) - Design
Notes from a quick playtest after last month's local event: unfortunately none really. Their game was decided by other factors before they could utilize Last Will. Opinion was somewhat split between LW and JttSW versions, though I suppose this lack of action could be read as a point in favor of Journey.
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Re: [Pod 0] Honored Soul-Guides (Lantern Geists) - Design
I know I'm not on this Pod anymore, but Journey Through the Spirit World is probably a better power for the goals of this master set and will be less swingy to playtest.
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Re: [Pod 0] Honored Soul-Guides (Lantern Geists) - Design
I think I'm starting to lean that way. Plus we have future units with potential for revival, so maybe say Liliana ends up with a Last-Will-esque power anyway.
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Re: [Pod 0] Honored Soul-Guides (Lantern Geists) - Design
I am all in on journey. But I prefer Lillianna to get powerups from killed figures given that the spell she's casting looks like a fireball made out of someone's soul. Although ofc it can be a resurrection type ability too
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Re: [Pod 0] Honored Soul-Guides (Lantern Geists) - Design
In general, I've never really thought that this direction was a great fit for our goals of presenting an introductory Master Set. I like the theme of guide ghosts returning souls to fight for glory in Valhalla a lot, but it's probably a poor introduction to Jandar for someone who doesn't know what he's about. Last Will has taken ages to get to a workable and simple version for our box. That all said, I think the unit itself is great and get why people voted the ways they did.
However, Journey Through the Spirit World doesn't seem great to me. It's useless after whiffing a 5 defense roll, and it may take multiple Order Markers to purely set it up first. I would probably only draft them with Sir Gilbert and/or Knights of Weston at that point. In terms of the class change, I much prefer Guides to Psychopomps. Sentinels is okay, but we already have others in the set and I think that Guide encapsulates their theme much better. Proud Member of Platyfly!
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Re: [Pod 0] Honored Soul-Guides (Lantern Geists) - Design
My personal opinion is that they make incredible Glyph grabbers even if JTtW never triggers. Which is why I don't have as much of an issue with it. We could also modify JTtW to make it more similar to Saylind's staff of summoning such that both HSG don't need to survive for it to work.
The other reason they're such good glyph grabbers is that when you grab the glyph you're not making as much of a development sacrifice as you normally would given that you now control a pivot point for easy development from your back ranks |
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Higher defense for them would work for me I think.
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Re: [Pod 0] Honored Soul-Guides (Lantern Geists) - Design
So I think that would end us up with something like this (changes in bold):
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