The Book of Tornado Twin (Dawn Allen)

[IAmBatman]

Yeah, just ran the calculator (looks like I missed this one for it?) and I'm getting like 190-205, so not surprised they're coming in a little hot.

[tcglkn]

I was feeling 200 each after my games so if you wanna keep them as is I would raise them to that probably. They’re pretty solid with 4 attack and 4 defense with Speed Dodge.

[Yodaking]

With them needing a blank on defense, I'd lean toward dropping the attack to 3 and leaving the defense at 4.

[IAmBatman]

Thematically, should they be more on the level of Kid Flash (3 defense and Speed Dodge) or Barry Allen/Wally West Flash (4 defense and Speed Dodge)?

[Arch-vile]

Thanks for the tests!

Like I mentioned in Discord, I think dropping to 3 defense makes sense here. Skill-wise they're probably more on the level of Kid Flash.

[Soundwarp SG-1]

That feels really fragile for 175 points.

[IAmBatman]

True. Glass cannons for sure. But you can pair them with defensive boosters.

[Yodaking]

You should never be required to draft a stat booster though. With defense reduction powers getting more and more prolific, I'd worry about the base 3 def. making them too easy to drop. Losing one of them puts a dent in their OM efficiency too.

[Arkham]

C3G INITIAL PLAYTEST FEEDBACK FORM

NAME OF THE TEST UNIT Tornado Twins

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Army Test 1
Map: Conflict Chernobyl
Units:
Tornado Twin A(175), Tornado Twin B(175), Cap(240), Flash(Jay)(220) (810)
vs.
Luke Cage(190), Iron Fist(260), Nova(210), Moon Knight(150) (810)

Spoiler Alert!

Attack Damage (Dawn):
R2T3: 1 wound on Luke Cage.
R3T1: 1 wound on Moon Knight. (Tornado Twins +1)

Attack Damage (Don):
R2T3: 1 wound on Luke Cage, kills him. (Tornado Twins +1)
R3T1: 2 wounds on Moon Knight.

Notes:
R1T3: Nova puts 1 marker on, then puts 1 wound on Don. Cage puts 1 wound on Cap.
R2T1: Cap puts 2 wounds on Cage(botch).
R2T1: Moon Knight puts 1 wound on Cap with CD. Cage puts 2 wounds on Cap.
R2T2: Moon Knight kills Cap with CD. Cage puts 3 wounds on Jay.
R3T1: Moon Knight kills Jay and puts 1 wound on Don with CD.
R3T2: Moon Knight kills Don and puts 1 wound on Dawn with CD.
R3T3: Iron Fist kills Dawn.


Moon Knight with 3/5 wounds(2 life). Iron Fist and Nova unwounded.

Not the best showing for the Tornado Twins, but I attribute that more to the Fighters rolling well rather than the Twins being no good. They didn't manage to roll any blanks, and they couldn't deal with Moon Knight in time to shut down the auto-wounding.

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Army Test 2 @165 each
Map: Conflict Chernobyl
Units:
Tornado Twin A(165), Tornado Twin B(165), Cap(240), Flash(Jay)(220) (790)
vs.
Star-Lord(250), Nebula(240), Gamora(300) (790)

Spoiler Alert!

Attack Damage (Dawn):
R2T2: 1 wound on Star-Lord. (Cap +1)
R2T3: 1 wound on Star-Lord. (Tornado Twins +1, Cap +1)
R3T2: 1 wound on Star-Lord.

Attack Damage (Don):
R2T3: 1 wound on Nebula. (Cap +1)

Notes:
R1T3: Gamora puts 1 wound on Jay.
R2T1: Cap puts 2 wounds on Gamora(botch).
R2T1: Gamora puts 2 wounds on Cap and Jay.
R2T2: Gamora puts 1 wound on Cap.
R2T3: Nebula puts 1 wound on Cap with VS.
R2end: Nebula heals 1 wound.
R3T1: Gamora kills Cap and Jay.
R3T2: Gamora kills Don.
R3T3: Gamora kills Dawn(botch).


Star-Lord with 3/5 wounds(2 life). Gamora with 2/6 wounds(4 life). Nebula unwounded.

Another not so great game for them. They had many opportunities to take down Star-Lord, but just couldn't quite get it done. Gamora took out their support, then she eliminated both of them in 1 shot as they failed to roll a blank.

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THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT'S COST, BALANCE, & DRAFTABILITY:
I like the mechanics they have. Feels thematic and make for a fun pairing. I don't think they come near to their current cost though. I played one at 175 and another at 165, both were pretty big losses. It's hard to see them standing toe-to-toe with others in the 300-350 range in an army setting, as they feel a bit easy to take down, and once one goes down the other's value goes down quite a bit. Stats wise on the calculator they come out to 75 each, so I suppose it comes down to how much you value their powers at. I'd say 125-135 each could be reasonable.

[tcglkn]

I definitely think they should fall closer to Kid Flash's cost than Flash (Barry)'s and they were trending higher. I was thinking 150 might be closer to right with the reduced defense.

[IAmBatman]

Woof. Big swing for one defense difference. But I agree that thematically they should be closer to Kid Flash than Flash.

[tcglkn]

3 to 4 defense is a big difference when you’re looking for blanks.