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Old February 10th, 2020, 02:59 PM
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Re: The Book of Crossbones (Public Playtesting)

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Alright, SP updated. Can we get an extra listing added for him in the Playtesting Sign-Up thread?

Here's what I'd want to see out of the (hopefully final) set of tests;
-One game run with a rematch of Bats' army from before. (Crossbones, Penguin (II), Red Skull, Bodyguard x8, Hired Guns (800 total))
-A game with Crossbones, Red Skull, and Hydra Agents. (It would be nice to see that 1,000 point Hydra build.)
-Special focus on Human Shield and how it plays. Seems like you could do some cool stuff with HS and the Cube, moving wounds around flinging figures into engagement with Rumlow. Please keep track of how many times the power activates, how many times it succeeds, and how many times it's used on friendly figures and enemy figures.
I'd also add to consider the number of times the power could activate if you'd chosen to take the shot - I consider part of its utility to be preventative, just like a real hostage shield. If it convinces a player to take a different shot out of fear of harming their own character, it's done its job.


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Old February 17th, 2020, 01:52 AM
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Re: The Book of Crossbones (Public Playtesting)

NAME OF THE TEST UNIT Crossbones


Army Test
- Does it pass, Yes or No? Yes
- What should be the unit's point value? 150-170
- Give a brief overview. Ended up being a super close match. Crossbones did decently well but is rather squishy. I made some playing errors with him leaving him exposed to retrieve the Cube and that spelled his early downfall, but he was still able to make use of both Trigger Man and Human Shield.
Map: Conflict Chernobyl
Units: Crossbones, Red Skull, Penguin II, 8xBodyguard, Hired Guns (800) Vs Wrecking Crew
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Army Test
- Does it pass, Yes or No? Yes
- What should be the unit's point value? 160-170
- Give a brief overview. Crossbones did well here all said. A couple wounds passed here with Human Shield but the onslaughts from Thing were just too many wounds for him and his team didn't really have enough ways to activate him so Trigger Man only came into play early but he did get to Brutalize Invisible a few times.
Map: Conflict Chernobyl
Units: Crossbones, Red Skull, Baron Von Strucker, Madame Hydra, 3xHydra Agebnts (1,000) Vs. Fan 4
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Army Test
- Does it pass, Yes or No? Yes

- What should be the unit's point value? 160-170
- Give a brief overview. Crossbones is useful, but he takes some careful play to really make the most out of. He really likes Red Skull in a pod play situation and he was pretty devastating here, but he still had nothing on the great and powerful Doom. This match really showcased the usefulness of Human Shield though and it was kind of fun feeling the angst of potentially having Human Shield work for both sides.
Map: Conflict Chernobyl
Units: Crossbones, Red Skull, Bane, GL (John),4xBodyguard (1,000) Vs. Dr Doom I, 5xDoombot, Puppet Master, 1xSkrull Infiltrator (1,000)
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THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT'S COST, BALANCE, & DRAFTABILITY: I like him, I used every single power at some point. Sometimes he feels worth less than his points and sometimes more. More than one of my games felt like it could have easilly gone either way so 160 is feeling pretty spot on. Maybe go 165 if you're really concerned that you may be discounting him.

GENERAL THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT: He's fun and useful. his one drawback is his survivability. He has a bit of a glass jaw. Human Shield is almost a double edged sword as you want him to be attacked but you only want a single wound potentially coming through. If anything, his life and defense of 4 is what keeps him from being more in the 170 range. I think he is in a good place but I wouldn't mind seeing his defense bumped by 1 and finalizing him at 165-170.
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Re: The Book of Crossbones (Public Playtesting)

Thanks Karat!

To me, it looks like the new Human Shield is much more useable, even getting some hits on enemies. Much better results there than in the previous games.

I personally like him slightly lower cost with lower defense, but does anybody else have particularly strong thoughts on that?.
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Re: The Book of Crossbones (Public Playtesting)

I also like going ahead with the lower defense.
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Re: The Book of Crossbones (Public Playtesting)

Lower defence seems fine to me. This guy's not meant to rock the world - he does his job and he does it well, and if we've got that down, that's okay. He's skilled, but not extraordinarily so or holding masses of plot-armour.


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Re: The Book of Crossbones (Public Playtesting)

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Lower defence seems fine to me. This guy's not meant to rock the world - he does his job and he does it well, and if we've got that down, that's okay. He's skilled, but not extraordinarily so or holding masses of plot-armour.
This is also where I sit as well. If enough people push for the bump in defense for 165-170 I wouldn't hate it but I'm fairly happy where he is. Tied to Red Skull is thematic.

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Re: The Book of Crossbones (Public Playtesting)

For the record, I'm not pushing for it, just offered a suggestion in case it were needed/wanted. I liked him just fine as is.
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Re: The Book of Crossbones (Public Playtesting)

In case I wasn't clear, I'm a Pre-yea for Editing anywhere from 160-170.
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Re: The Book of Crossbones (Public Playtesting)

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In case I wasn't clear, I'm a Pre-yea for Editing anywhere from 160-170.
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Re: The Book of Crossbones (Public Playtesting)

Pre-Yea I have a slight preference for 160 but I never fight an LD feeling they need higher points.

Lets finish this guy already!!
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Re: The Book of Crossbones (Public Playtesting)

Pre-yea for 160-170. It looks like those final changes were just what the doctor ordered.
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Re: The Book of Crossbones (VOTE for Final Editing)

My first Archie Yea!

I propose a VOTE for Final Editing.
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