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Old February 7th, 2020, 02:13 PM
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Re: The Book of Crossbones (Public Playtesting)

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I like Bats last take on it. If it is somewhat limited in who you can grab, I think you could get away with it being automatic. Not sure why no one likes the Human restriction on Human shield, solves lots of problems with theme, outside of a few oddball humans like Iron Man.

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Anytime Crossbones rolls defense against an attack and would receive 1 or more wounds, you choose 1 human figure other than the attacking figure that is adjacent to Crossbones. The chosen figure receives one of the wounds from the attack instead of Crossbones, or all of them if it is a figure you control.
I think strength level makes a lot more sense than species. There are plenty of weak non-Human figures, and even within his faction (Terrorists) there are Clones, Mutants, etc.

If you like that option, vote D. I'm hesitant to add another option to the poll atm. I'd rather work out the skeleton of the power then adjust from there.
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Old February 7th, 2020, 02:35 PM
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Re: The Book of Crossbones (Public Playtesting)

Fair enough. It would be cool to have him grab say a Kree Soldier to use as a shield. I'll vote D. Seems like a shame after all this time to completely drop the human shield concept and just reuse a power, although the simplicity of C is appealing.
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Re: The Book of Crossbones (Public Playtesting)

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I've been really lost with this conversation, but what's wrong with the current Human Shield? If it's because it's hard to activate, just nix the non-adjacent clause. I love the theme of him using opponent's figures, I really don't want to lose that.

So what am I missing?
Not sure. That was my initial suggestion as well.
Same here. I'm very happy with where Human Shield ended up - it oozed theme and felt iconic and interesting. It's honestly where a lot of my interest in the card comes from. I'd hate to see it more pedestrian for the sake of snipping clauses from a card that's already pretty simple.
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If I was a terrorist using a human shield, I'd be grabbing innocent bystanders first and foremost over my own men. That's a piece of theme that made me excited about this design and I think it would be a huge shame to lose it.
This. Exactly this. Even if it's less likely to trigger in general, it'll make for awesome moments when it does. Plus, part of that aspect for it, is to make your opponent think twice before attacking him if there's a potential hostage - just as a human shield would! You can't guarantee that that sniper shot's going to leave Captain America or whoever unharmed, so you may choose not to risk it. I think that's just as important as how often it actually turns up.

If we want it to be automatic with friendlies, simple - bump the roll bonuses for Common and friendly so that, all told, the roll for them is just a 1+, and therefore automatic. Best of both worlds.


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Re: The Book of Crossbones (Public Playtesting)

Yeah, after reflection I think I like A with the bonus being 6 and 6 (might as well make it fully automatic for friendly commons) and it transferring all the wounds instead of one.

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Re: The Book of Crossbones (Public Playtesting)

Put me down for D, especially with a low roll.

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Re: The Book of Crossbones (Public Playtesting)

@Lord Pyre , you sounded like an A from your comment? Is that your vote?


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Re: The Book of Crossbones (Public Playtesting)

I think he was a D. That being said, while I’m still waiting a little bit for a potential japes comment, I think I’m going to go with A.

While votes are a bit split all 3 ways, it’s pretty clear that if you combine the A and D votes that the majority of us are invested in keeping the enemy figures bit. A is the most complex option but I think it does the best of meshing the opponent’s figures bit with what I find important about the power.
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Re: The Book of Crossbones (Public Playtesting)

A and d are very similar. I donít like the last clause in d since itís unneeded complexity. Otherwise Iím good with either.
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Re: The Book of Crossbones (Public Playtesting)

My preference here is B then D.
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Re: The Book of Crossbones (Public Playtesting)

Of those choices of probably lean C but I'd actually really enjoy a mashup of A and D the most.

The thing I don't like in A is the only one wound being blocked.

I'd push for something like this...

HUMAN SHIELD 12
Anytime Crossbones rolls defense against an attack and would receive 1 or more wounds, you may immediately choose an adjacent small or medium figure without the Super Strength special power that is not the attacking figure. Roll the 20-sided die, adding 5 to the roll for each of the following that is true:
• You control the chosen figure.
• The chosen figure is common.
If you roll 12 or higher, the chosen figure receives a wound instead, or all of them if it is a figure you control.

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Re: The Book of Crossbones (Public Playtesting)

So either way Crossbones avoids the attack and his teammates take the full but but for balance reasons the opponents figure would just receive one wound.

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Re: The Book of Crossbones (Public Playtesting)

Could just have the chosen figure take 1 wound and block the entire attack. Essentially the same thing, except for Crossbones.
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