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Old June 15th, 2013, 11:24 AM
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Re: The Book of Krypto

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Re: The Book of Krypto

And at 310, oye. Hopefully after Puppet Master finishes his reevaluation, there's enough momentum and interest in further exploring Jocasta and Bizarro and Sage. All three top my current "concerns" list outside of PM.

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Re: The Book of Krypto - Designing

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KRYPTONIAN'S BEST FRIEND
After taking a turn with any other Unique Kryptonian Hero you control, you may move Krypto as long as he ends his movement adjacent to the Unique Kryptonian Hero. Krypto will not take any leaving engagement attacks when using this special power.

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Re: The Book of Krypto - Designing

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KRYPTONIAN'S BEST FRIEND
After taking a turn with any other Unique Kryptonian Hero you control, you may move Krypto as long as he ends his movement adjacent to the Unique Kryptonian Hero. Krypto will not take any leaving engagement attacks when using this special power.
Can you take a turn with a Unique Kryptonian Hero without controlling it?

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Re: The Book of Krypto

Lex two I believe.

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Re: The Book of Krypto - Designing

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KRYPTONIAN'S BEST FRIEND
After taking a turn with any other Unique Kryptonian Hero you control, you may move Krypto as long as he ends his movement adjacent to the Unique Kryptonian Hero. Krypto will not take any leaving engagement attacks when using this special power.
Can you take a turn with a Unique Kryptonian Hero without controlling it?
With Mind Control powers, "control of the figure returns to the original player after the turn". Confusion? I guess we tried to avoid it by making it more confusing. lol
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Krypt Guard

Bats is correct. When you mind control a Kryptonian, you control it for that turn. The question is this. At the end of that Kryptonian's turn, control returns to your opponent. Does Kryptonian's Best Friend take effect before this turn ends, after the turn ends, or does it not care?

If the first or third then KBF activates. If the second one can argue KBF does not activate since you no longer control the Kryptonian.

Another question to consider with a mind controlled Kryptonian. The timing of returning control and KBF is important because that can determine if say the Kryptonian gets to make leaving engagement attacks on Krypto.

~Dysole, noting similar cases arise with any other power that activates after a turn is taken but that does not require an OM reveal
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Re: The Book of Krypto

Adding "control" only muddies the issue, IMO.

With the current text it's clear that the "Business Suit" Lex's Red Kryptonite + Kryptonian Hero + Krypto is an allowable chain.

If chains like that aren't desired (and I thought they were with this design) then the clearest way to block them is by requiring an OM reveal on the Kryptonian Hero.

Otherwise, I think it's clear the chain is allowable and I'm not sure it's an issue.

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Re: The Book of Krypto

It's more confusing for me without the "you control", 'cause almost always if a power is referring to a unit you control taking a turn it uses "you control", so this one not having makes it confusing. Also, the "you control" wouldn't stop the chain.

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Re: The Book of Krypto

I agree with ZJ. By deviating from a precedent that's been established since before C3G (and one C3G has used heavily), it leads players to think it's supposed to work differently than other similar powers, potentially leading them to think it is supposed to trigger off of opponent's turns. With Lex (I), if that's an interaction we want, I think we can safely rule on that; it doesn't seem confusing to me to say that because you controlled the Kryptonian for that turn, the power triggers (though if we don't want it, I'd strongly support adding in the "after revealing an OM" wording).

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Re: The Book of Krypto

Ah, so you guys were reading it as being able to activate after another player's turn?

Yeah, I don't see that at all from the text .... The "you" is very clearly implied in that sentence. But if you want it just for consistency (even if it's unnecessary text), nothing wrong with that, I guess.

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Re: The Book of Krypto

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Ah, so you guys were reading it as being able to activate after another player's turn?
Well, I wasn't, but that's because I didn't even notice the "you control" wasn't in the text until ZJ pointed it out, I had just been reading it in. But the point is that it could easily be misread; we already have plenty of powers that allow your figures to move on an opponent's turn, so it wouldn't be a jump to assume Krypto's allowed for that too.

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Yeah, I don't see that at all from the text .... The "you" is very clearly implied in that sentence.
Yeah, but implied meanings like that can easily be missed, especially by anyone not familiar with C3G. Better to clearly state it and avoid confusion, in my opinion.

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But if you want it just for consistency (even if it's unnecessary text), nothing wrong with that, I guess.
Well, it's just one Hero's and one Sidekick's opinion so far.

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