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Re: C3G Requests for Reevaluation

NAME OF THE TEST UNIT Jocasta

Army Test 1
- Does it pass, Yes or No? No
- What should be the unit's point value? 300?
- Give a brief overview. I thought this would be an interesting match-up, given that the original X-Men and Fantastic Four armies were likely tested and balanced against each other. Adding Jocasta to the mix however, gives the FF a huge advantage. Even the threat of Self-Sacrifice is enough to ruin a few of the X-Men’s turns.
Map: Country Road

Units: Jocasta (180), Mister Fantastic (235), Invisible Woman (215), The Thing (325), Human Torch (225) (1180) VS Professor Xavier (220), Angel (90), Jean Grey (180), Cyclops (190), Beast (170), Wolverine (280), Jubilee (60) (1190)
Unit Summary:
Damage w/normal: 2 wounds to Beast, 1 wound to Angel.
Damage w/Self-Sacrifice: 3 wounds to Wolverine, 1 wound to Jubilee.
Self-Sacrifice: 2 times used; 4 wounds taken.
Repelling Force Field: 0 times used; 0 spaces moved.
Ultron Imperative 4: 0 times used.

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Army Test 2
- Does it pass, Yes or No? No
- What should be the unit's point value? 300+
- Give a brief overview. This was a straight rematch to see if luck had anything to do with the first game. Instead, things went even better for the FF. Jean and Cyclops both have the ability to mess with the FF, but Self-Sacrifice still forces their hand and gives the FF enough time to take out Jean and Cyclops.
Map: Country Road

Units: Jocasta (180), Mister Fantastic (235), Invisible Woman (215), The Thing (325), Human Torch (225) (1180) VS Professor Xavier (220), Angel (90), Jean Grey (180), Cyclops (190), Beast (170), Wolverine (280), Jubilee (60) (1190)

Unit Summary:
Damage w/normal: 2 wounds to Jean.
Damage w/Self-Sacrifice: 4 wounds to Cyclops, 2 wounds to Beast.
Self-Sacrifice: 3 times used; 6 wounds taken.
Repelling Force Field: 0 times used; 0 spaces moved.
Ultron Imperative 4: 0 times used.

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Army Test 3
- Does it pass, Yes or No? Maybe in this one, with a higher cost.
- What should be the unit's point value? 250?
- Give a brief overview. This is actually a tough matchup for Jocasta, as both of the Super-Apes can break up her team. Plus, it’s a tough tactical decision to take a bunch of wounds just to protect a Hired Gun and kill a single Warrior. For this reason, she let a Hired Gun die early, rather than take 4 wounds herself. Still, even with only one use of Self-Sacrifice, the threat of it was enough to disrupt the Gorillas’ turns and give her team the victory.
Map: Country Road

Units: Jocasta (180), Black Tarantula (300), Hired Guns (130) (610) VS Gorilla City Warriors x2 (250), Super-Ape (Mikhlo, 200), Super-Ape (Peotor, 170) (620)
Unit Summary:
Damage w/normal: none.
Damage w/Self-Sacrifice: 1 GCW destroyed.
Self-Sacrifice: 1 times used; 2 wounds taken.
Repelling Force Field: 0 times used; 0 spaces moved.
Ultron Imperative 4: 0 times used.

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Old May 8th, 2015, 11:45 AM
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Re: C3G Requests for Reevaluation

Finally found time to work on reevaluation stuff again, I knocked out a couple games with Bizarro:

C3G REEVALUATION PLAYTEST FEEDBACK FORM

NAME OF THE PLAYTEST UNIT: Bizarro

Army Test
Map: Conflict Chernobyl (no glyphs or special rules)
Units: Bizarro, Valkyrie, Graviton (1,060 points) VS Mr. Fantastic, Invisible Woman, The Thing, Aurora, Hellcat (1,050 points)
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Army Test
Map: Conflict Chernobyl (no glyphs or special rules)
Units: Bizarro, Robot, Angel (Warren), Doctor Light, 5th Precinct Beat Cops x3 (995 points) VS Cosmic Boy, Karate Kid, Lightning Lad, Superboy (Kal-El) (1,000 points)
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THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT'S COST, BALANCE, & DRAFTABILITY: As-is, he's unbalanced. Left on his own his power is extremely potent and one of the most annoying in the game, but if you pair him with any other supportive figures he goes from extremely strong/annoying to broken (and I didn't even use Cash or Jocasta).

GENERAL THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT: Brokenness aside, Bizarro is a fun unit to play who adds some interesting tactics to the game. Toning down his power-level could actually make him a fun unit to play against because of the ways you can manipulate him, but as-is he's extremely aggravating to face.

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Re: C3G Requests for Reevaluation

The C3G Heroes have voted to re-test Bizarro with the following change:

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VILLAINOUS DUTY
Immediately after a friendly figure within 3 spaces of Bizarro rolls defense dice against an enemy figure's normal attack, you must move Bizarro adjacent to the attacking figure, if possible. If you do, the attacking figure receives one wound. If Bizarro cannot move adjacent to the attacking figure, you must choose a figure adjacent to Bizarro, if possible, to receive one wound. When Bizarro uses Villainous Duty, he will take any leaving engagement attacks.
Basically, the timing is different, and the power no longer blocks the attack, so the defending figure must roll defense. Please post any test results in Bizarro's thread.

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Re: C3G Requests for Reevaluation

I've got a few games lined up with Bizarro, but for anyone have any specific builds or combos that they're still worried about with this version? I plan to run him with Valkyrie, but any other builds to play him in or against would be helpful for me and anyone else looking to test him.

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Re: C3G Requests for Reevaluation

We're making another slight change to Bizarro, by raising his cost. Below is the version that should be tested:

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NAME = BIZARRO
SECRET IDENTITY = KENT CLARK

SPECIES = HTRAEIAN
UNIQUENESS = UNIQUE HERO
CLASS = ADVERSARY
PERSONALITY = CONFUSED

SIZE/HEIGHT = MEDIUM 5

LIFE = 6

MOVE = 6
RANGE = 1
ATTACK = 6
DEFENSE = 7

POINTS = 330


FREEZE VISION
Before taking a turn with Bizarro, you may choose a figure within 4 clear sight spaces of Bizarro. Roll the 20-sided die. If you roll 16 or higher, the chosen figure rolls 1 fewer defense die this turn.

HEAT BREATH SPECIAL ATTACK
Range 1. Attack 2 + Special.
Choose a figure to attack. All figures adjacent to the chosen figure are affected. Bizarro cannot be affected by this special attack. Roll 2 attack dice once for all affected figures. For each skull rolled, roll 1 additional attack die. Continue rolling an additional attack die for each skull rolled until no skulls are rolled.

VILLAINOUS DUTY
Immediately after a friendly figure within 3 spaces of Bizarro rolls defense dice against an enemy figure's normal attack, you must move Bizarro adjacent to the attacking figure, if possible. If you do, the attacking figure receives one wound. If Bizarro cannot move adjacent to the attacking figure, you must choose a figure adjacent to Bizarro, if possible, to receive one wound. When Bizarro uses Villainous Duty, he will take any leaving engagement attacks.

SUPER STRENGTH

FLYING
Another set or two of tests should be enough to round things out here!

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Re: C3G Requests for Reevaluation

After some discussion and a few rounds of testing inside the Outer Sanctum, we are now re-testing Jocasta with the following version:

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NAME = JOCASTA

SPECIES = ANDROID
UNIQUENESS = UNIQUE HERO
CLASS = ADVENTURER
PERSONALITY = SELFLESS

SIZE/HEIGHT = MEDIUM 5

LIFE = 5

MOVE = 5
RANGE = 4
ATTACK = 4
DEFENSE = 5

POINTS = 180


SELF-SACRIFICE
If a friendly figure within 3 clear sight spaces of Jocasta is attacked with a normal attack and would receive one or more wounds, Jocasta may move adjacent to that figure, if possible, and receive those wounds instead. If she does, and the attacking figure is within 4 clear sight spaces of Jocasta, the attacking figure receives one wounds. When Jocasta uses Self-Sacrifice, she will take any leaving engagement attacks.

REPELLING FORCE FIELD
Whenever Jocasta is attacked with a normal attack from an adjacent figure and takes no damage, you may choose up to X empty spaces in a straight line from the attacking figure and place the attacking figure on any of the chosen spaces. X is the number of defense dice that show a blank. A figure moved by this special power never takes any leaving engagement attacks and can receive any falling damage that may apply.

ULTRON IMPERATIVE 4
Whenever Jocasta is chosen for Ultron’s Program Transmission 20 special power, add 4 to the 20-sided die roll.

SUPER STRENGTH
Please post any results in Jocasta's thread.

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Re: C3G Requests for Reevaluation

How's everyone feeling about the above version of Jocasta? That's three sets of tests now (plus Viegon's with a similar version) linked in the OP, and her teams have gone 4-4, with all of the testers feeling like this helps balance her.

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Re: C3G Requests for Reevaluation

I played the opposing army in some of ZJ's tests and she felt much more balanced. I'm happy with the updated version.

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That's always reassuring to hear. @dok , @Soundwarp SG-1 , @weebaer , any issues that you guys see?

Any other Heroes have any thoughts? @SirGalahad , are you comfortable with this version and those results?

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Newcasta looks fine to me.


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I think this is a solid adjustment. She's not A+ anymore but she's still definitely useful.
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