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Old January 24th, 2009, 09:49 AM
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DW7K's dominance and ease of play with 4th Mass is another reason I value Deadeye Dan so highly. Last time I played Jexik, he thought he was being so smart drafting DW7K with his valiant Mass, so I took DED and shot the soulborg on his first turn. Bam, nothing to worry about. I was a little disappointed as DED only took out about 8 or so 4th Mass before he died, but he certainly proved his worth in that game.

And nice list too. I'm not sure if knights are first tier, and if they are, I think Roman builds should be up there too. Their main problem is that nobody plays them in tourneys any longer. Perhaps I can convince Jormi to bust them out again. A lot of people were freaking out about Zelrig destroying them, and while it certainly is a tough matchup, you don't really see Zelrig in tourneys that much anyway. Either way, great list, and it was lots of fun to read
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Old January 25th, 2009, 11:04 PM
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Re: Cookie Cutter Army Discussion and Tiers

My god that is a MASSIVE post! I must have spent thirty minutes reading it and once I got past Arrow Grut armies, I spaced out.

Didn't ollie do very well with a minions, omnicron, tealord army at Saratoga Slugfest?

Also, I've placed 3rd at Revalations with microcorp agents, and third at Saratoga slugfest using a realin, Zelrig, 10th reg hodge-podge. These guys are good in the right situations, so don't count them out.
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Old January 25th, 2009, 11:18 PM
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My god that is a MASSIVE post! I must have spent thirty minutes reading it and once I got past Arrow Grut armies, I spaced out.
Um... you're welcome? Heh. Out of curiosity, I copied and pasted it into a word processor. 16 single spaced pages. This must be my longest yet? Do they give honorary PhD's in Heroscape Studies?

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Didn't ollie do very well with a minions, omnicron, tealord army at Saratoga Slugfest?

Also, I've placed 3rd at Revalations with microcorp agents, and third at Saratoga slugfest using a realin, Zelrig, 10th reg hodge-podge. These guys are good in the right situations, so don't count them out.
Sounds like those are well within the high Tier 2 range.

I'm still debating whether I should bump the 10th Reg and Minions.. and maybe romans or Microcorp up, or simply cut Tier 2 in half and put some of them in Tier 3, and just make Tier 4 the ill-formed armies I wouldn't worry about playing (which I've actually lost, or nearly lost to before).

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Old January 26th, 2009, 10:25 AM
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Re: Cookie Cutter Army Discussion and Tiers

Jexik, I was just going to take a gander at R˙chean's thread you link to in the first post, but the link sent me to the power rankings. I checked the other link to see if they maybe got switched, but they both go to the power rankings.
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Old January 26th, 2009, 10:37 AM
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Re: Cookie Cutter Army Discussion and Tiers

Thanks for pointing that out. It's fixed now. They're both stickies in this forum, and good reads.

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Re: Cookie Cutter Army Discussion and Tiers

Nadom went 5-1 (losing only in the championship rematch vs rdhight's Rats x3, 10th x4, Q10) with the Elf Wizards in the 600 point Vancouver tourney last weekend.

Here's his army:
Ulginesh – 150
Arkmer – 50
Emiroon – 80
Kyntela Gwyn – 20
Jorhdawn – 100
Morsbane – 100
Chardris – 90
Otonashi – 10


And his battle reports.
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Re: Cookie Cutter Army Discussion and Tiers

I just read that report..... did he ever freaking miss with Morsbane? His average 20-sider roll must've been 17.....

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Re: Cookie Cutter Army Discussion and Tiers

Nadom's battle report makes me want to use the Elves a little more. He sure was hot with Morsebane. Im curious how those matches would've panned out had he not gotten so lucky with his D20. Still its awesome to see the elves do good. I think a good reason he was able to do so well with elves is the point total. Im guessing it would've been a different report at 500pts. Of course I don't play elves, ever, so I could be wrong about that.

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Re: Cookie Cutter Army Discussion and Tiers

Yeah, the Morsbane action did sound impressive. The Sudema/Tron army I played a couple years back would have fared a lot better if she rolled more like her nemesis.

Nadom's a good player, though, and I bet only the Braxas negation was necessary for him to win.
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I just read that report..... did he ever freaking miss with Morsbane? His average 20-sider roll must've been 17.....
He never mentions missing, although it's arguably implied that he missed with him once against Raelin in one game. There are three successful negations mentioned without a number. The other rolls mentioned by number were 18, 18, 17, 20, and 20. That's... unusual.
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Re: Cookie Cutter Army Discussion and Tiers

Hey all, just figured I'd chime in...
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I just read that report..... did he ever freaking miss with Morsbane? His average 20-sider roll must've been 17.....
He never mentions missing, although it's arguably implied that he missed with him once against Raelin in one game. There are three successful negations mentioned without a number. The other rolls mentioned by number were 18, 18, 17, 20, and 20. That's... unusual.
While I have to admit that I got exceptionally lucky, I missed and missed badly several times (most of which didn't make it into the battle report). The advantage of the Elf Wizards is that you can activate two heroes per turn. I would not have activated Morsbane if he was the only wizard I got to activate that turn. Morsbane is one of the Elves' best threats to heroes and high-powered unique squads, and I thought it made more sense to send him out early on than to keep him for late in the game. Sending Morsy in on the front lines protected my other, more important wizards and made it so that I could both get the most negation attempts possible and make the most of any negation attempts that did succeed.

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Still its awesome to see the elves do good. I think a good reason he was able to do so well with elves is the point total. Im guessing it would've been a different report at 500pts. Of course I don't play elves, ever, so I could be wrong about that.
The point total has a LOT to do with it. That extra 100 points was Morsbane. In addition to several negations, he also made for that much more firepower for Chardris & Jorhdawn, that much more defense for Arkmer, that much more summoning power for Emiroon... and another guy to take the hits on the front line instead of the main attackers. 600 is perfect for the elves and vice-versa. I wasn't going in intending to be competitive, but I now think that they can be in 600+ point formats. In the 500 point range, I don't quite think so.

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