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Old December 23rd, 2021, 12:48 PM
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Re: [Pod 2] Katryn Vade (Nahiri, Fuy in Stone) - Editing

Okay, I think it's time to circle the wagons on this one. I appreciate @Scytale 's concerns that Aspect of the Dragon needs a more clearly defined activation window in order to work cleanly with Scape's ruleset. However, I also am sympathetic to the observation that the flexibility is what currently makes the power useful. With those in mind, I'd be open to reimagining this power a bit more broadly:

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When revealing a numbered order marker on Katryn Vade's Army Card, you may also reveal an "X" order marker that is on this Army Card to activate Aspect of the Dragon for the duration of the round. While there is a revealed "X" order marker on this Army Card, Katryn Vade has a size of Huge instead of what is listed on this Army Card. If Katryn is attacked and at least one skull is rolled, instead of rolling defense dice normally you may remove a revealed "X" order marker from this Army Card. If you do, Katryn takes no damage.
Obviously this ability would require a points increase, along with a potential drop in life and/or defense.

Curious what the rest of the Pod thinks about a change like this, or whether they'd prefer to remove Aspect of the Dragon entirely and workshop a completely new direction for a potential second power.
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Old December 23rd, 2021, 04:39 PM
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Re: [Pod 2] Katryn Vade (Nahiri, Fuy in Stone) - Editing

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Okay, I think it's time to circle the wagons on this one. I appreciate @Scytale 's concerns that Aspect of the Dragon needs a more clearly defined activation window in order to work cleanly with Scape's ruleset. However, I also am sympathetic to the observation that the flexibility is what currently makes the power useful. With those in mind, I'd be open to reimagining this power a bit more broadly:

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ASPECT OF THE DRAGON
When revealing a numbered order marker on Katryn Vade's Army Card, you may also reveal an "X" order marker that is on this Army Card to activate Aspect of the Dragon for the duration of the round. While there is a revealed "X" order marker on this Army Card, Katryn Vade has a size of Huge instead of what is listed on this Army Card. If Katryn is attacked and at least one skull is rolled, instead of rolling defense dice normally you may remove a revealed "X" order marker from this Army Card. If you do, Katryn takes no damage.
Obviously this ability would require a points increase, along with a potential drop in life and/or defense.

Curious what the rest of the Pod thinks about a change like this, or whether they'd prefer to remove Aspect of the Dragon entirely and workshop a completely new direction for a potential second power.
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I'm actually a pretty big fan of where you have the power. It seems clear, mechanically unique, and flavorful. That works well enough that I'm not sure we need to reinvent it.

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Re: [Pod 2] Katryn Vade (Nahiri, Fuy in Stone) - Editing

I much refer the current version, whether or not we decide it needs to be tweaked or reworded. That redesign is too complex, especially having two completely different uses wrapped up in one power.


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Re: [Pod 2] Katryn Vade (Nahiri, Fuy in Stone) - Editing

How about the below? It keeps the flexibility, but gives a window on when the power must be activated.

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At the beginning of each figure's turn, you may change Katryn Vade's size to huge until the end of the turn.
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Old December 24th, 2021, 10:37 PM
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Re: [Pod 2] Katryn Vade (Nahiri, Fuy in Stone) - Editing

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How about the below? It keeps the flexibility, but gives a window on when the power must be activated.

ASPECT OF THE DRAGON
At the beginning of each figure's turn, you may change Katryn Vade's size to huge until the end of the turn.
I do miss the damage avoidance factor on the X marker, but I don't dislike this templating. Is there a way to combine those two things?

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Re: [Pod 2] Katryn Vade (Nahiri, Fuy in Stone) - Editing

I like @Captain Stupendous ' suggestion to increase the usefulness of the power if we decide to limit its activation window. I'm not really a big fan of relying on the X OM here, though; I think that it'd be preferable to just use one of the unused markers in the box, especially if she has a way to remove it to ignore damage like some classic powers.

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At the beginning of each figure's turn, you may change Katryn Vade's size to huge until the end of the turn.
This would be my preference as a way of retaining most of the versatility of her power, though IIRC there was some concern about it being too much upkeep to decide whether Katryn is Huge or Medium every turn. I don't think that it'd be too bad, though, especially since the card is otherwise extremely simple and easy to handle. We could streamline it even further with something like this:
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Start the game with an Avatar Marker on this card. At the beginning of any figure's turn, you may either remove or place the Avatar Marker on this card. While the Avatar marker is on Katryn's Army Card, Katryn Vade has a size of Huge instead of what is listed on this Army Card.
This changes it from requiring an active decision each turn to just defaulting to whatever you chose last. It loses some of the flexibility, of course, but you can still carry her with Theracus and then ignore Poisonous Acid Breath the next turn.
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Re: [Pod 2] Katryn Vade (Nahiri, Fuy in Stone) - Editing

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ASPECT OF THE DRAGON
Start the game with an Avatar Marker on this card. At the beginning of any figure's turn, you may either remove or place the Avatar Marker on this card. While the Avatar marker is on Katryn's Army Card, Katryn Vade has a size of Huge instead of what is listed on this Army Card.
I like this version the best so far. Flexible enough to take advantage of all the benefits of either medium or huge. Marker keeps the ability from being too much of a memory mechanic and keeps the ability a simple on/off. I'd make it trigger on order marker reveal (before or after) rather than each figures turn. This keeps it from having to trigger on bonding turns
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Re: [Pod 2] Katryn Vade (Nahiri, Fuy in Stone) - Editing

Unfortunately, the damage reduction ability probably does add more complexity than its worth.

I'd prefer not to allow Aspect of the Dragon to be activated at the beginning of opponent's turns because it requires you to remember to declare it before your opponent moves any of their figures, which will be annoying in practice.

How about this for the power:

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After revealing an Order Marker on an Army Card you control and before taking a turn with that army card, you may either place or remove the Aspect Marker on this card. While the Aspect marker is on Katryn's Army Card, Katryn has a size of Huge instead of what is listed on this Army Card.
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Re: [Pod 2] Katryn Vade (Nahiri, Fuy in Stone) - Editing

Does anything else in the set consider size thus far?

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Re: [Pod 2] Katryn Vade (Nahiri, Fuy in Stone) - Editing

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Does anything else in the set consider size thus far?
Yes; at this point Dienekes, Ozuul, and Vlad all have powers that only affect small/medium figures, so the Huge immunity to those powers will actually be fairly relevant in games using just the AotV figures.
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Re: [Pod 2] Katryn Vade (Nahiri, Fuy in Stone) - Editing

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Does anything else in the set consider size thus far?
Yes; at this point Dienekes, Ozuul, and Vlad all have powers that only affect small/medium figures, so the Huge immunity to those powers will actually be fairly relevant in games using just the AotV figures.
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Re: [Pod 2] Katryn Vade (Nahiri, Fuy in Stone) - Editing

Something to think about; what happens when Katryn becomes Huge while atop a Pillar of Hár? I'm not sure how official the wording is that "only small or medium figures can be placed", but if that wording is correct then I think we'll be fine if she changes back and forth while up there. (Of note, as a melee figure she doesn't have much reason to climb in the first place, but it is a possibility.)


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