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Old April 27th, 2019, 11:57 AM
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Re: The Book of Apollo (Initial Playtesting)

I think you can do your own Initial now.
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Re: The Book of Apollo (Initial Playtesting)

Woah! I for some reason thought that was only heroes. Man. You guys need a welcome packet or something.
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Re: The Book of Apollo (Initial Playtesting)

We're working on getting the procedures thread up-to-date, so hopefully there'll at least be a coherent explanation of the big picture on the books in the near future.
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Old April 27th, 2019, 11:59 AM
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Re: The Book of Apollo (Initial Playtesting)

Yeah, sort of hard to believe we made it this far flying by the seat of our pants.
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Re: The Book of Apollo (Initial Playtesting)

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Yeah, sort of hard to believe we made it this far flying by the seat of our pants.
We use capes, sir.

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Re: The Book of Apollo (Initial Playtesting)

It very well probably was written somewhere, but I sometimes go around in circles forgetting where I found information in the past.
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Re: The Book of Apollo (Initial Playtesting)

Ran 4 games here, saw a 2-2 split. Apollo's best performance was likely game 3. Game 4 was run with Ms. Marvel, and bonding to avoid OM limit doesn't feel too overpowering, as he will still need to be conservative with his resources. Small games a definitely a nightmare for him, as he most wants to keep his allies going as long as possible so he can keep recharging. At first I thought about making the healing not contingent on OMs, but that was after game 2. By game 4, I'm pretty happy where he's at.


- THEME TEST/ He feels great here. He can still stand up on his own, which I like, but feels definitely optimal when teamed with Midnighter.
- MIRROR TEST/ Nothing I saw here.
- BONDING TEST/ Need to add the “no other figures” clause in Solar Burst, as the intent is not to start a bonding chain.
- SYNERGIES TEST/ Most of his synergies right now are specifically with Midnighter. Other potential synergies would be stacking with Kryptonians, or teaming with Ms. Marvel.
- POWER CHECK/ Nothing I saw here.
- FUN TEST/ He’s a lot of fun. It can be tough to judge Radiant Light, and can be frustrating if no blanks are rolled when it is used.
- FUN COMPETITIVE TEST/ He feels about like other heavy-hitters. He’s tough to crack, which can be annoying, but no moreso than people like Clark.
- DRAFTING TEST/ Struggles in smaller games, as he gets a bit neutered if the endgame comes too fast.
- USAGE TEST/ It felt like the Special attack was used a lot game 3, but that may have been more of an anomaly. A very mobile team in Game 2 made it feel unnecessary.
- STRATEGY TEST/ See above.

C3G STANDARD PLAYTEST FEEDBACK FORM

NAME OF THE TEST UNIT Apollo

Army Test
Map: Conflict Chernobyl
Units: Apollo (@420 Points) and Midnighter (700 Points) vs. Michelangelo, Donatello, Raphael, Leonardo (700 Points)
Unit Summary
Damage: 8 wounds with Normal Attack (12 counting overkill)
2 wounds with Special Attack
Abilities: Radiant Light successfully used 3/4 times.
Solar Marker heal 0 times.
Solar Marker recharge 2 rounds.
Special Attack used 1 time.
Spoiler Alert!
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Army Test
Map: Conflict Chernobyl
Units: Apollo (@420 Points), Captain America, Star-Lord, Angel vs Mister Fantastic, Invisible Woman, Thing, Human Torch
Unit Summary
Damage: 6 wounds with Normal Attack (10 counting overkill)
0 wounds with Special Attack
3 wounds with Leaving Engagement Attacks
Abilities: Radiant Light successfully used 1/1 times.
Solar Marker heal 2 times.
Solar Marker recharge 0 rounds.
Special Attack used 0 times.
Spoiler Alert!
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Army Test
Map: Conflict Chernobyl
Units: Apollo (@420 Points), Captain America, Midnighter, Puck (1170 Points) vs Professor X, Wolverine, Deadpool, Quicksilver, Magma (1170 Points)
Unit Summary
Damage: 6 wounds with Normal Attack (6 counting overkill)
7 wounds with Special Attack (12 wounds counting overkill)
0 wounds with Leaving Engagement Attacks
Abilities: Radiant Light successfully used 2/3 times.
Solar Marker heal 0 times.
Solar Marker recharge 6 rounds.
Special Attack used 3 times.
Spoiler Alert!
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Army Test
Map: Conflict Chernobyl
Units: Apollo (@420 Points), Captain America, Ms. Marvel (1020 Points) vs Mister Fantastic, Invisible Woman, Thing, Human Torch, Skrull Infiltrator x2 (1020 Points)
Unit Summary
Damage: 3 wounds with Normal Attack (3 counting overkill)
0 wounds with Special Attack (0 wounds counting overkill)
1 wounds with Leaving Engagement Attacks
Abilities: Radiant Light successfully used 2/2 times.
Solar Marker heal 1 times.
Solar Marker recharge 2 rounds.
Special Attack used 2 times.
Spoiler Alert!
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THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT'S COST, BALANCE, & DRAFTABILITY: Apollo has high tanking potential, but can be brought down, especially in the endgame where powers run low. He feels like he may be odd to cost, as he clearly falters in the endgame and is majorly open to autowounds. Some bad luck rulled for mutants in game 3 (Wolverine flubbed a lot of attacks, as did Dedapool. The Ms. Marvel combo is strong, but I don’t know that it really proves that much better than an actual Operative build.

GENERAL THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT: Probably only in game 3 did Apollo himself really get his points worth offensively, but his defensive potential is quite high. He can do a lot to save allies in a pinch, if you’re playing your resources well. He’s an interesting strategic challenge, as the right builds can take him down quick, but others almost have to work around him to make him an easier endgame target.

I'd really like to hit 420 on the nose with him to pair evenly with Midnighter, but we can see based on others. Midnighter did pretty well in that game 3, but as was evident, got stomped in game 1. My plan will be to move him forward adding in a "no additional turns" clause in the Solar Burst.

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Re: The Book of Apollo (Initial Playtesting)

Nice work!
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Re: The Book of Apollo (Initial Playtesting)

Nicely done. Did you play him at 420 points in all of those tests? Noting it clearly in the tests themselves is really nice for future reference (including the Final Editing vote).

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Re: The Book of Apollo (Initial Playtesting)

Yep! Ran him at 420 all the way through, so I'll go update those to state it in the Initial. Thanks for the feedback there on things to improve the Initial!
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Re: The Book of Apollo (Initial Playtesting)

LV is hot on my trail in getting 3 designs in the bag, and my Daleks had a month head start on his Stanchek. You’re a machine, man! Keep at it!
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Re: The Book of Apollo (Initial Playtesting)

Nice work here on that Initial PT LV!

pre-yea for public PT at 420 with recommended wording update.
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