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Re: Reverse the Whip Army Archetypes

I love Delta.

But real quick to the point of this thread: something I meant to bring up before was that part of the struggle is this is largely subjective. Even trying to classify the armies with different archetypes has resulted in a lot of head scratching. There are definitely some unfavorable qualities to what the meta for the format has become, but it can be difficult to define them well.


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Re: Reverse the Whip Army Archetypes

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But real quick to the point of this thread: something I meant to bring up before was that part of the struggle is this is largely subjective.
Necroblade said it right, in that this is largely subjective, and partially based on people's personal thoughts and feelings towards competitive Scape and the Main Event (such as, how competitively are they playing, vs just wanting to play a game of Scape).


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Reverse the whip has always been, and remains, a super super weird way to decide the most prestigious event in the game.

Imagine you meet someone who is familiar with competitive gaming in general, and who is familiar with Heroscape in a I've-played-some-home-games sort of way. Imagine you told them there was a competitive HS scene with a championship and everything. Then they asked you how the championship worked. If you described RTW, or especially alternating RTW, you would get some very weird looks.

I've found the opposite to this, though I don't have too much to base it on, other than my own reactions and in talking to a few other people, but I've thought the alternating RtW format genius, in that it is the best format currently utilized to show who is the best Heroscape player, in that Main Event, while keeping there from being one best army that trumps everything.

Does this mean there could be a better one out there? Certainly, though I don't know if it has been developed yet, which is why I think Dragon Ruler's suggestions below are spot on.

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We can also run a side tournament for those who prefer not to play in the Main Event.

I would love to see people propose specific Main Event formats. Also, we are looking to extend first round games to 75 minutes to reduce the number of games that go to time.

Regardless, what happens with the format, I hope the effect isn't a "cheapening' to the achievement of winning the main event, which is why I think a side tournament during the Main Event is a great idea. The Con overall, should be open and inviting to all players, and give everyone a chance to come out on top in one of the tournaments, but I hope winning the Main Event remains a pinnacle to strive for (I type, while reminding myself that this is a game for 8 year olds!)

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Re: Reverse the Whip Army Archetypes

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Does this mean there could be a better one out there? Certainly, though I don't know if it has been developed yet, which is why I think Dragon Ruler's suggestions below are spot on.

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We can also run a side tournament for those who prefer not to play in the Main Event.

I would love to see people propose specific Main Event formats. Also, we are looking to extend first round games to 75 minutes to reduce the number of games that go to time.
It should come as no surprise that I have lots of suggestions. Some have even come up in this thread recently. Others I have brought up privately with organizers and others.


That said, this is the "reverse the whip army archetypes" thread, not the "suggestions for scapecon main event" thread, so I don't want to derail things by discussing alternatives here.


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Regardless, what happens with the format, I hope the effect isn't a "cheapening' to the achievement of winning the main event, which is why I think a side tournament during the Main Event is a great idea. The Con overall, should be open and inviting to all players, and give everyone a chance to come out on top in one of the tournaments, but I hope winning the Main Event remains a pinnacle to strive for (I type, while reminding myself that this is a game for 8 year olds!)
I agree, having one event designated the championship is fun and in a way takes some of the pressure off the other events to be hyper-competitive.
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