Gen Con 2010 Main Event Armies

[Frylock]

Originally Posted by vertigosmooth

I've been playing around with this build for different point ranges, what do you guys think?

The Phantom Queen
Braxas
PKx4
Marcu

510 points.

Solid stealth flying blockers for Braxas and anti-range.



Dustin

I've tried this exact army; it does well enough against weak squads, but Q9 (or other hard-to-kill heroes) totally destroys it. It doesn't have powerful attacks, but that's about the only flaw.

[vertigosmooth]

Ya, Q9 was what I was thinking about being a tough matchup. I was hoping the defense by the PK's would hold up and I could swarm him. But I knew it would be rough.


Dustin

[dok]

Arrow Gruts are really tricky in this format.

120 Arrow Gruts x3
100 Swog Rider x4
50 Nerak
80 Raelin
120 Krug
470, 22 hexes

@600, add Kaemon + Isamu (24)
@620, add Mimring (24)
@640, add Cyprien + Marcu (24)

I'm not loving it, but everything seems playable.

Yet another Braxas-screen option is Romans:

50 MBS
100 MDG
150 Romans x3
210 Braxas
510, 17 hexes

@600, add Raelin + Isamu (19) or Ne-Gok-Sa (18}
@620, add Raelin + Marcu + Isamu (20), or Ne-Gok-Sa + Marcu (19)
@640, add Romans + Raelin (22).

Pretty solid, I think.

ETA: one more; I gotta give a Torin shout-out.

80 Raelin
120 Torin
300 Stingers x5
500, 18 hexes

@600, add Stingers +Marcu + Isamu + Otonashi (24)
@620, add Stingersx2 (24) or Kaemon (19) or Fen Hydra (20)
@640, add Phantom Knights x2 (24) or Kaemon + Marcu (20) or Fen Hydra + Marcu (21)

620 is obviously a nice spot for this army.

[MattserTruckRally]

I've got a couple that I really like:

ManTrains Q9 killer
Knights of Weston x 3
Sir Gilbert
Raelin
Airborne Elite
505 pts

At 600 - Knights/Chainfighter
At 620 - Krav/Isamu
At 640 - Knights/Zetacron

A very solid day 1 Knight build and the AE are absolutely sick in this build. The Knights have a ton of staying power thanks to Raelin and they also act a perfect shield for the AE.


King's Escort
Knights of Weston x 2
Sir Gilbert
Raelin
Nilfheim
510 points

I played this army in Dayton a couple years ago and really liked the flow of the army. Nilf usually brings up the rear of the army so try to move him along with your Knights by keeping a steady supply of order markers on both cards.

At 600 - Knights/Marcu
At 620 - Knights/Eldgrim/Isamu
At 640 - Knights/Marro Warriors




You can also decide to go Aggro with the 4th Mass for some degenerate stuff:

Original Idea
4th Mass x 6
420 points

There is a huge risk of course since you're shorting yourself 90 points but 24 4th Mass is still a daunting task for any 510 point army to overcome.

At 600 - Add Sgt Drake (SOTM) or Taelord
At 620 - Add Macdirk/Concan or Drake (RotV)/Concan or Nilfheim or Taelord
At 640 - Add Braxas or Macdirk/Sgt Drake (ROTV)

And lastly:

Copying exactly what I played last year and the types of reinforcements I would use if I were to play this army which I unfortunately will not be.

ABWD

Airborne Elite
Braxas
Deathreavers x 3
Marro Warriors
490 pts

At 600 - Add Krav/Isamu or Raelin and some combination of 30 pt filler
At 620 - Kaemon Awa/Isamu or Raelin/50 pt Elf Dude
At 640 - Major Q10 or Raelin/Zetacron (cut a Reaver)

[dok]

Good stuff.

"Mantrain's Q9 killer" looks pretty nasty against most builds, but I'd be worried about rats & ranged squads. Still, I have a tough time making rat/agent and rat/stinger builds work out points-wise, so this might not matter.

"King's Escort" reminds me a bit of the new greenscale builds - I almost feel like you're better off with GSWx2 and AE than KoWx2 and Glibert. Either way, you don't want to see a stinger-horde or 4th Mass, but you're pretty solid in most other matchups.

"Original Idea" is pretty, well, original... but if you're willing to play that low, why not go Raelin, Gladsx3, Blastsx2? You're at 440 in stead of 420, and your upgrade options to fill those last three spaces are really nice. (As an aside - did you mean Concan/Drake at 620?)

[MattserTruckRally]

Originally Posted by dok

"Original Idea" is pretty, well, original... but if you're willing to play that low, why not go Raelin, Gladsx3, Blastsx2? You're at 440 in stead of 420, and your upgrade options to fill those last three spaces are really nice. (As an aside - did you mean Concan/Drake at 620?)

I editted my last post to reflect my incorrect math. Though I did discover that you can fit Taelord into the Mass build at any point level which is pretty solid.

The main reason why you'd probably just run 24 4th Mass over Blasts/Glads is ease of use. With Blasts/Glads you're short changed on resources so any mistakes you make are going to be critical. With the 4th you're losing Concan who realistically isn't a huge difference maker most of the time.

[stubobj]

A couple Dwarf armies I like the looks of:

Dwarves x3 - 210
Migol - 320
Realin - 400
Krav - 500

@600 - Dwarves/Eldgrim
@620 - Mogrimm or Dwarves/Marro Warriors
@640 - Dwarves x2 or Mogrimm/Marcu

Twotongues ran this for NHSD. I cant remember where exactly he placed but its a very solid build. Rats are difficult as always so instead of Krav/Realin you can always run Q9.
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Dwaves x4 - 280
Q9 - 460
Marro Warriors - 510

@600 - Realin/Isamu
@620 - Migol or Realin/Filler
@640 - Mogrimm/Isamu or Migol/Marcu

Skip out on bonding to have some speedy meatshields for Q9.
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Dwarves x 4 - 280
Darrak - 340
Q10 - 490

@600 - Migol
@620 - Migol/Marcu
@640 - Dwarves/Realin

[Matthias Maccabeus]

Originally Posted by stubobj

Dwaves x4 - 280
Q9 - 460
Marro Warriors - 510
Skip out on bonding to have some speedy meatshields for Q9.

I actually considered this for TTO V. It was pretty much unstoppable in my play-testing. Rÿchean actually talked me out of it a few days before NHSD 09. He said it was very non-Matthias. I agree with him, but man was it powerful!

[RoninValentina]

Originally Posted by Matthias Maccabeus

I actually considered this for TTO V. It was pretty much unstoppable in my play-testing. Rÿchean actually talked me out of it a few days before NHSD 09. He said it was very non-Matthias. I agree with him, but man was it powerful!

That's nearly what I did take to GenCon last year:

Dwarves x4
Marro Warriors
Q10
Marcu.

In my third match I got stomped by a Heavy/Grimnak build and my absolute lack of rolling shields. I lost 90% of my dwarves in something like 6 OMs. It was a good army though, and with the 10 extra points given for the Tournament this year I've considered dropping Marcu and the Marro to add in Raelin.

[dok]

Originally Posted by stubobj

Dwarves x3 - 210
Migol - 320
Realin - 400
Krav - 500

@600 - Dwarves/Eldgrim
@620 - Mogrimm or Dwarves/Marro Warriors
@640 - Dwarves x2 or Mogrimm/Marcu

I'd prefer a slightly different version, which Jexik and I alluded to earlier:

210 Axegrinders x3
120 Mogrimm
80 Raelin RotV
100 KMA
510, 17 hexes

@600, add Axegrinders + Marcu (22)
@620, add Migol + Isamu (19)
@640, add Axegrinders + Darrak (22)

... that said, I'm worried that this would get beaten by a standard rats & range build.

[killercactus]

I like the Vydar Range pod in any format that allows reinforcements. You can start with the phantazm21zero special at 510 Points (as a matter of fact, when I tell him that this is the format this year, he might just drop what he's doing and make sure he gets to GenCon, with or without me, since this tournament seems to be made for him):

Q9 - 180
Laglor - 290
Krav - 390
Deathreavers x3 - 510, 18 hexes

600 - Raelin + Isamu, 20
620 - Raelin + Filler, 20ish or Airborne Elite, 22
640 - Raelin + Marro Warriors, 23

[Jexik]

Yeah, that's a good army.

Not sure what would give it trouble... maybe a solid Greenscales army?


Or maybe just...

Braxas 210
5x Stingers 510

Raelin+ Isamu for 90
AE for 110
2x Greenscales + Isamu for 130