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Re: Justice League Dark Brainstorming
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I do think a bruiser with a ressurection mechanic is always going to be a bit of a kamikazee unit, but I’m hoping we could strike kind of a Cap-esque balance where his support is as solid as his offense. Quote:
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Starting to lean back towards just using Jungle Plants. I know you guys wanted the variety for players who only have one kind of terrain, but it’s just a lot of extra text, and if you’re using them as defensive tools, the Jungle Pieces are pretty much directly superior. I guess we could just go with all Trees instead, it’s just that placing trees is something that’s been done before. |
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Yeah, if he has a resurrection power then tactics dictate you send him out first so he can die first and then hopefully return to play before the rest of the team gets wiped out. Maybe just drop the resurrection power, just because he can do it in a comic book story doesn't mean he has to do it in the ~15 minutes a C3G battle takes place during.
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While I’m trying to come at this as a Swamp Thing that can work with the JLD (although not necessarily a JLD Swamp Thing, if that makes sense) , I’ll cop to being way more familiar with classic Moore/Vertigo Swamp Thing. (Who almost destroys Gotham one time in a fit of rage.) I’ve always seen him as a pretty proactive character, just one whose goals often don’t mesh with those of the other protagonists in any given story.
I think there’s definitely an argument that ST vI (the one that literally has a personality of Vengeful) has that angle of the character covered though. I’m also coming at this from the angle that he’s always going to be a frontline bruiser in a JLD build pretty much no matter how we spin it. They desperately need heavy hitters right now, and he’ll be one of the biggest hitters they’ll get. So I’d rather lean into that and have him play well in that role than try to fight against the current. |
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A design that encourages a character playstyle unthematic to the character is uninteresting to me. I'd say drop the Resurrection. It's not in every story, and definitely not in the JLD stories. Couple that with it encouraging hyper aggression, and I dislike it more as I think about it.
He's a powerhouse, yes, and will lend himself to that role by nature of his stats. But the direction you're building toward feels more like "fill x roll in JLD and make it vaguely Swamp Thingy" rather than "a modern era Swamp Thing that has some cool potential JLD ties." Even if is a good potential bruiser for them, he should never really feel like a factional centerpiece, because he's very much an adjunct to the team rather than core roster. If they need a bruiser, that should probably be filled by a Wonder Woman design IMO. |
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Sure, let's swap it out for Vegetative Muck, that works for me.
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Also admittedly a bit confused by this statement. ST joins the team about halfway through their initial run, sticks with them until the end, and is one of the two characters who seems to transfer over to the 2nd incarnation. And at least in the original run, it's not like he's a poor team player or anything. He seems way more core to me than someone like Frankenstein, who was around for less than 20 issues.
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