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Old September 17th, 2020, 04:56 PM
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Re: Sports: NFL

There are lots of issues that any sane humanist should support but still filter into the political arena and cause disputes. If you don't think race and racial equality in this country are political, you're not awake, my friend.

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Old September 17th, 2020, 05:01 PM
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Re: Sports: NFL

Racial equality is not strictly a bipartisan issue and treating it as a political issue as opposed to a human rights issue, in my opinion, takes away some of the power behind the movement. Of course people can make it political but radical idealists will make anything a bipartisan issue if it fits their agenda.

Maybe I shouldn't have responded to that post on Kap but saying we won't speak on the matter because you can view it as a political issue and we can't talk politics, is wrong. This is the NFL thread and it's an issue directly concerning the NFL so I think it's more than acceptable to discuss.
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Re: Sports: NFL

Political =/= bipartisan.

If you were to make a venn diagram with human rights issues and politics on it, you'd see a lot of overlap. Just the fact that you used the word "movement" shows that it's political. Political doesn't have to mean directly associated with a political party.

I never told you what to talk about or not to talk about. I don't care if y'all talk about Kap. There are probably more posts in this thread that are about Kap than aren't about Kap at this point.

I said I discuss politics elsewhere. You seemed to have a problem with my (correctly) identifying that politics were being discussed here. I endeavored to clarify my position. You don't have to agree.

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Re: Sports: NFL

Sure you would see overlap because politicians take these issues and make them into political issues to earn votes. Saying people should be treated equally, that statement, which is all that I promote, has no effect on government and is not a political statement. Take any opinion of yours that you bellieve not to be political and it can be made political. But saying we're all the same has nothing to do with politics as I understand the definition as givin be the Merriam-Webster dictionary.
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Re: Sports: NFL

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There are lots of issues that any sane humanist should support but still filter into the political arena and cause disputes. If you don't think race and racial equality in this country are political, you're not awake, my friend.
Oh, I'm awake. I just reject that (for instance) when we're here having a discussion about the NFL's business response to the players' participation in a social movement that that itself is a discussion about politics. Or if, for instance, our conversation had a tacit premise that athletes may in our society talk about issues that matter to them, that *that* is a political conversation, on our part.

I am using a more traditional, and (to my mind) more accurate definition of "political." I think we understand each other quite clearly, Bats, and we are comparably "awake" to the subtext.

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Re: Sports: NFL

I also discuss semantics elsewhere. Have fun, y'all.

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Re: Sports: NFL

Guys... I think Joe Burrow is going to be really good. Watching his composure last night and watching some analysts this morning and I have to say, things could be turning around for the Bengals.

Burrow was 33-61 3 TDs and 0 Ints! He's a rookie with no preason playing a short-week primetime game in his second start ever and played very well. Passer rating in the 90's and played well against a Browns team with a lot more talent. I think if the bengals get him some weapons and a sturdy o-line over the next couple of years that the could be the second best team in the AFC North and a playoff contender.
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