Project Pokemon Design Thread: VENUSAUR!

[Chardar]

We based it off of Cloud of Darkness on Estivara but now that you mention it it does seem closer to WTF. It's possible that the two were based off of each other.

[Kaiyu]

Originally Posted by Chardar

I don't think "it recieves one additional die to its defense" is official wording.

I still think Wulf and I had it with. "After taking a turn with this Squirtle, if this Squirtle did not move, it may roll one additional defense die until the next time you reveal an order marker."

My bad, its 'add 1 die to its defense.'

In other situations it would be 'receives one additional attack/defense die.' But in this situation, you have to specify adding to its defense stat, not just rolling another die.

[Chardar]

Originally Posted by kaiyu0707

My bad, its 'add 1 die to its defense.'

In other situations it would be 'receives one additional attack/defense die.' But in this situation, you have to specify adding to its defense stat, not just rolling another die.

So you agree with Wulf and I's wording?

[Kaiyu]

Originally Posted by Chardar

So you agree with Wulf and I's wording?

No, because your wording is suggesting rolling an additional die, while my wording is actually adding to your defense stat.

[Kroz]

What would be the difference in the mechanics of the two wordings?

[Kaiyu]

Originally Posted by Kroz

What would be the difference in the mechanics of the two wordings?

I said I didn't want to have to get into detail ... but 'rolling additional die' is used for temporary effects that last only as long as the conditions for the effect apply, where as adding die to your stats will remain on other turns as well. In most cases the wording itself doesn't make a difference, but some character's abilities may be affected by this difference (Torin's Evil Eye Protection for example.) Its not that people won't be able to know the difference, its for consistency with the rest of Heroscape's wording.

[wulfhunter667]

Originally Posted by kaiyu0707

I said I didn't want to have to get into detail ... but 'rolling additional die' is used for temporary effects that last only as long as the conditions for the effect apply, where as adding die to your stats will remain on other turns as well. In most cases the wording itself doesn't make a difference, but some character's abilities may be affected by this difference (Torin's Evil Eye Protection for example.) Its not that people won't be able to know the difference, its for consistency with the rest of Heroscape's wording.

Originally Posted by wulfhunter667

Withdraw
After taking a turn with this Squirtle, it may roll one additional defense die until the next time you reveal an order marker.

Yet, this version here is based on a modification of Estivara's power and thus, official wording. I removed the movement restriction because, at the end of its turn, Squirtle has stopped moving, yes? And the condition is the next time it reveals an OM, right? Well, if you leave the movement condition in there, it's possible to negate its Withdraw bonus by simply using Pidgey's Whirlwind. Squirtle moved, right? Technically, yes. And technically, it would not get the Withdraw bonus anymore. The version above is based on official wording, verbatim, and is the way to go here.

[Kaiyu]

Originally Posted by wulfhunter667

Yet, this version here is based on a modification of Estivara's power and thus, official wording. I removed the movement restriction because, at the end of its turn, Squirtle has stopped moving, yes? And the condition is the next time it reveals an OM, right? Well, if you leave the movement condition in there, it's possible to negate its Withdraw bonus by simply using Pidgey's Whirlwind. Squirtle moved, right? Technically, yes. And technically, it would not get the Withdraw bonus anymore. The version above is based on official wording, verbatim, and is the way to go here.

But we can't base it off the wording of Estivara completely because Extivara requires a different condition, and gives a different outcome. The only constant is the duration of the outcome. Also, your wording above just stated that he has adds 1 defense unless its his turn

[Chardar]

Originally Posted by kaiyu0707

But we can't base it off the wording of Estivara completely because Extivara requires a different condition, and gives a different outcome. The only constant is the duration of the outcome. Also, your wording above just stated that he has adds 1 defense unless its his turn

Like I said we started with Estivara. We ended up with WTF which is what we want.

[Warlord Alpha]

Originally Posted by Chardar

Like I said we started with Estivara. We ended up with WTF which is what we want.

Except do we still want the "either move or attack" thing?

[White Knight]

From the TV series, the "Squirtle Squad" were pretty Tricky (very mischievous). I suggest changing from Loyal to Tricky.

[Warlord Alpha]

Meh, I think they were the exception, not the rule.