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Re: The Book of Gert Yorkes / Old Lace (Playtesting Phase)

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Yeah, which I why I'd really have preferred if they released two separate figures. I personally am going to take the figure I have, split it in two, and base them both separately - the mechanic of combining them is there to facilitate people who don't want to spent $20 on a figure and cut it all up.

I don't mind going forward with the combined card if the occasional wonkiness doesn't bother people, but I think at this point I've accepted we're deep into the realm of "best from a bad situation."
So what if people have to separate two figures on one base? They had to do that for Trickster and Pied Piper, and no one cared.
Trickster and Pied Piper is a 40 cent figure. The Gertrude and Old Lace mini is a bit more expensive, though it has come down in price since the Young Avengers version came out in the What If? set. In any case, I don't really see how designing based on what minis actually exist is 'backwards'. Some people do play both C3G and Heroclix (or at least don't like to mess around with rebasing), and it's not crazy to accommodate those people.

If we want the Arsenic and Old Lace special power to provide a dual-species as well, I'm cool with that. If we want to put together a not-quite-mechanically-equivalent alternate card that's still pretty close, sure, that'd be cool. The Quickbelle card isn't quite equivalent to drafting both Liberty Belle and Jesse Quick, either. I'm not sure what you're advocating for at this point, though.
Nor am I - mostly, I'm trying to play devil's advocate to make sure that we don't end up in a situation where no one's really happy with the result but it's what we've got anyway (plus, as I said, this version has its own frustrations when it comes to figures). I would definitely, though, at a miniumum, recommend making Arsenic and Old Lace provide a dual species - I'd even suggest a dual personality.


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Yeah, which I why I'd really have preferred if they released two separate figures. I personally am going to take the figure I have, split it in two, and base them both separately - the mechanic of combining them is there to facilitate people who don't want to spent $20 on a figure and cut it all up.

I don't mind going forward with the combined card if the occasional wonkiness doesn't bother people, but I think at this point I've accepted we're deep into the realm of "best from a bad situation."
So what if people have to separate two figures on one base? They had to do that for Trickster and Pied Piper, and no one cared.
Trickster and Pied Piper is a 40 cent figure. The Gertrude and Old Lace mini is a bit more expensive, though it has come down in price since the Young Avengers version came out in the What If? set. In any case, I don't really see how designing based on what minis actually exist is 'backwards'. Some people do play both C3G and Heroclix (or at least don't like to mess around with rebasing), and it's not crazy to accommodate those people.

If we want the Arsenic and Old Lace special power to provide a dual-species as well, I'm cool with that. If we want to put together a not-quite-mechanically-equivalent alternate card that's still pretty close, sure, that'd be cool. The Quickbelle card isn't quite equivalent to drafting both Liberty Belle and Jesse Quick, either. I'm not sure what you're advocating for at this point, though.
Nor am I - mostly, I'm trying to play devil's advocate to make sure that we don't end up in a situation where no one's really happy with the result but it's what we've got anyway (plus, as I said, this version has its own frustrations when it comes to figures). I would definitely, though, at a miniumum, recommend making Arsenic and Old Lace provide a dual species - I'd even suggest a dual personality.
I've got them based separately but my plan is to cut down Gert's base so that it's smaller than Old Lace's, and I can have her rest on Old Lace's base when I play them together.
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Yeah, which I why I'd really have preferred if they released two separate figures. I personally am going to take the figure I have, split it in two, and base them both separately - the mechanic of combining them is there to facilitate people who don't want to spent $20 on a figure and cut it all up.

I don't mind going forward with the combined card if the occasional wonkiness doesn't bother people, but I think at this point I've accepted we're deep into the realm of "best from a bad situation."
So what if people have to separate two figures on one base? They had to do that for Trickster and Pied Piper, and no one cared.
Trickster and Pied Piper is a 40 cent figure. The Gertrude and Old Lace mini is a bit more expensive, though it has come down in price since the Young Avengers version came out in the What If? set. In any case, I don't really see how designing based on what minis actually exist is 'backwards'. Some people do play both C3G and Heroclix (or at least don't like to mess around with rebasing), and it's not crazy to accommodate those people.

If we want the Arsenic and Old Lace special power to provide a dual-species as well, I'm cool with that. If we want to put together a not-quite-mechanically-equivalent alternate card that's still pretty close, sure, that'd be cool. The Quickbelle card isn't quite equivalent to drafting both Liberty Belle and Jesse Quick, either. I'm not sure what you're advocating for at this point, though.
Nor am I - mostly, I'm trying to play devil's advocate to make sure that we don't end up in a situation where no one's really happy with the result but it's what we've got anyway (plus, as I said, this version has its own frustrations when it comes to figures). I would definitely, though, at a miniumum, recommend making Arsenic and Old Lace provide a dual species - I'd even suggest a dual personality.
I've got them based separately but my plan is to cut down Gert's base so that it's smaller than Old Lace's, and I can have her rest on Old Lace's base when I play them together.
That's not a bad idea!


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Re: The Book of Gert Yorkes / Old Lace (Playtesting Phase)

Lets look at it in a different light...will Gert ever be viable on her own in a C3G game? I don't know the answer but if it's no then...a small dinosaur mini would be easy to find and you could do two cards...one of Old lace alone and the combined card with the current mini.

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Re: The Book of Gert Yorkes / Old Lace (Playtesting Phase)

I'd just combine them. It's already odd having Gert essentially just get ignored when Old Lace dies. As-is, since you place her on Old Lace's card at the beginning and there's seemingly no way to remove her from said card, when Old Lace is destroyed, Gert is just...there. Not destroyed, but not able to be placed back on the battlefield. So it's already as if they get combined anyways. Might as well combine the cards and still allow them to collectively choose a companion.
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Re: The Book of Gert Yorkes / Old Lace (Playtesting Phase)

That removes the ability to play Old Lace solo, though, which apparently is key to theme (I looked them up a bit, and apparently Old Lace was part of the team after Gert's death).


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Re: The Book of Gert Yorkes / Old Lace (Playtesting Phase)

So, at this point, as LD, unless we want to put it to a vote, I'd like to stick with the split designs. But we do have some suggested tweaks (namely, changing the exact nature of the combined figure, adding a dual species and/or personality on top of the class change). Does anyone have any opinions there?

Also, @Soundwarp SG-1 , did you ever get a chance to write up any further tests? I know you mentioned you were planning to.
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Re: The Book of Gert Yorkes / Old Lace (Playtesting Phase)

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So, at this point, as LD, unless we want to put it to a vote, I'd like to stick with the split designs. But we do have some suggested tweaks (namely, changing the exact nature of the combined figure, adding a dual species and/or personality on top of the class change). Does anyone have any opinions there?

Also, @Soundwarp SG-1 , did you ever get a chance to write up any further tests? I know you mentioned you were planning to.
Haven't gotten to it yet sorry, I'll get them up tonight/tomorrow. I ended up focusing on writing up my tests for Johnny and Lady D since I felt they both needed some tweaks. I don't really have any big insight for these two, long and short of it is I felt they were fine as is.


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So, at this point, as LD, unless we want to put it to a vote, I'd like to stick with the split designs. But we do have some suggested tweaks (namely, changing the exact nature of the combined figure, adding a dual species and/or personality on top of the class change). Does anyone have any opinions there?

Also, @Soundwarp SG-1 , did you ever get a chance to write up any further tests? I know you mentioned you were planning to.
I'm in favor of the dual-species/personality.
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So, at this point, as LD, unless we want to put it to a vote, I'd like to stick with the split designs. But we do have some suggested tweaks (namely, changing the exact nature of the combined figure, adding a dual species and/or personality on top of the class change). Does anyone have any opinions there?

Also, @Soundwarp SG-1 , did you ever get a chance to write up any further tests? I know you mentioned you were planning to.
I hate to do this to you but is there any way you could give us a summary of what the options discussed are that you are contemplating.
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Re: The Book of Gert Yorkes / Old Lace (Playtesting Phase)

Essentially, our current version is:

ARSENIC AND OLD LACE
At the start of the game, if you control Old Lace and Gertrude Yorkes is her Companion, you may instead place her on Old Lace’s Army Card. Order Markers may still be placed and revealed on this card normally. As long as Gert is on Old Lace's Army Card, Old Lace has a class of Runaway in addition to the class listed on her card, and when Old Lace attacks, she may attack one additional time.

The change would be:

ARSENIC AND OLD LACE
At the start of the game, if you control Old Lace and Gertrude Yorkes is her Companion, you may instead place her on Old Lace’s Army Card. Order Markers may still be placed and revealed on this card normally. As long as Gert is on Old Lace's Army Card, Old Lace has the species of Human, the class of Runaway, and the personality of Cynical in addition those listed on her card, and when Old Lace attacks, she may attack one additional time.

A bit more complexity but not a ton. Not going to be relevant 99% of the time but ever now and then...
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Re: The Book of Gert Yorkes / Old Lace (Playtesting Phase)

Honestly, I don't really see the point of adding in the Cynical Human bit. It's mostly irrelevant, but when it does come up it's mostly doing weird stuff. Like why would Alfred be able to heal a Dinosaur or Zola be able to Clone one because a little whinny girl happens to be riding it?


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