Heroscapers
Go Back   Heroscapers > Marvel Legends HeroScape > Comic Hero Custom Creations > C3G Project > C3G Library
C3G Library This area collects all the released designs. Feel free to post any figure specific questions in their individual books.


Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #49  
Old September 21st, 2016, 09:21 PM
japes's Avatar
japes japes is offline
A Man of Taste
 
Join Date: August 3, 2011
Location: USA - TX - Austin (SW)
Posts: 19,026
Images: 51
japes is a wielder of the Ban Hammer japes is a wielder of the Ban Hammer japes is a wielder of the Ban Hammer japes is a wielder of the Ban Hammer japes is a wielder of the Ban Hammer japes is a wielder of the Ban Hammer japes is a wielder of the Ban Hammer japes is a wielder of the Ban Hammer japes is a wielder of the Ban Hammer japes is a wielder of the Ban Hammer japes is a wielder of the Ban Hammer japes is a wielder of the Ban Hammer japes is a wielder of the Ban Hammer japes is a wielder of the Ban Hammer japes is a wielder of the Ban Hammer
Re: The Book of Two-Face (II) (Design)

pre-yea
Reply With Quote
  #50  
Old September 21st, 2016, 10:23 PM
Arkham's Avatar
Arkham Arkham is offline
Gorred the Con-petition. C3G Con Champ 2021!
 
Join Date: May 19, 2012
Location: Olympia - WA
Posts: 12,417
Images: 21
Arkham is a penguin with a machine gun Arkham is a penguin with a machine gun Arkham is a penguin with a machine gun Arkham is a penguin with a machine gun Arkham is a penguin with a machine gun Arkham is a penguin with a machine gun Arkham is a penguin with a machine gun Arkham is a penguin with a machine gun Arkham is a penguin with a machine gun Arkham is a penguin with a machine gun Arkham is a penguin with a machine gun Arkham is a penguin with a machine gun
Re: The Book of Two-Face (II) (Design)

SP updated with latest version. Hopefully we've reached a common ground with everyone's concerns/suggestions addressed to a degree to move to initials, and then refining based on those tests if needed going into Public testing.

I propose a vote to move to Initial Playtesting.
@TrollBrute
@johnny139
@Zettian Juggernaut
@Yodaking
@Tornado
@japes - Yea
@Viegon
Reply With Quote
  #51  
Old September 22nd, 2016, 12:00 AM
Arkham's Avatar
Arkham Arkham is offline
Gorred the Con-petition. C3G Con Champ 2021!
 
Join Date: May 19, 2012
Location: Olympia - WA
Posts: 12,417
Images: 21
Arkham is a penguin with a machine gun Arkham is a penguin with a machine gun Arkham is a penguin with a machine gun Arkham is a penguin with a machine gun Arkham is a penguin with a machine gun Arkham is a penguin with a machine gun Arkham is a penguin with a machine gun Arkham is a penguin with a machine gun Arkham is a penguin with a machine gun Arkham is a penguin with a machine gun Arkham is a penguin with a machine gun Arkham is a penguin with a machine gun
Re: The Book of Two-Face (II) (Design)

Just played a game with this version. Take Away:

-Good Side definitely feels more useful now. (most of my game was spent on the Good Side)
-Scarred Side felt more toned down but still useful when available.
-Flips weren't too often, and were always a fun part of the experience. (in a 4 round game, the coin was flipped a total of 8 times counting the initial one at the start of the game)

Two-Face wants to keep the opponent busy with his Army so they don't reach him, but he eventually needs to get his hands dirty and put himself in the mix if his Army can't get it done. Which feels thematic.

Hope this gives some perspective.
Reply With Quote
  #52  
Old September 22nd, 2016, 04:23 AM
Yodaking's Avatar
Yodaking Yodaking is offline
C3G Landlord
 
Join Date: March 7, 2008
Posts: 31,525
Yodaking is a man of the cloth Yodaking is a man of the cloth Yodaking is a man of the cloth Yodaking is a man of the cloth Yodaking is a man of the cloth Yodaking is a man of the cloth Yodaking is a man of the cloth Yodaking is a man of the cloth Yodaking is a man of the cloth Yodaking is a man of the cloth Yodaking is a man of the cloth Yodaking is a man of the cloth Yodaking is a man of the cloth Yodaking is a man of the cloth Yodaking is a man of the cloth
Re: The Book of Two-Face (II) (Design)

I really like how that turned out, so if you are happy with it after running some games then I'm happy with it as well.

yea
Reply With Quote
  #53  
Old September 22nd, 2016, 09:53 AM
Tornado's Avatar
Tornado Tornado is offline
Fan Fiction Prompt Master
 
Join Date: August 11, 2010
Location: USA - MI - Kalamazoo (Climax)
Posts: 29,795
Images: 392
Tornado is a man of the cloth Tornado is a man of the cloth Tornado is a man of the cloth Tornado is a man of the cloth Tornado is a man of the cloth Tornado is a man of the cloth Tornado is a man of the cloth Tornado is a man of the cloth Tornado is a man of the cloth Tornado is a man of the cloth Tornado is a man of the cloth Tornado is a man of the cloth Tornado is a man of the cloth Tornado is a man of the cloth Tornado is a man of the cloth
Re: The Book of Two-Face (II) (Design)

Yea

A cloud can change its semblance, yet retain its will
With the intimacy of destruction, One knows what it is to be alive
The empty sky holds no reflection, for sorrow
- Eslo Rudkey
Reply With Quote
  #54  
Old September 22nd, 2016, 10:20 AM
Zettian Juggernaut's Avatar
Zettian Juggernaut Zettian Juggernaut is offline
C3G Super League MVP
 
Join Date: October 2, 2011
Location: USA - Ohio - Millersburg
Posts: 4,367
Images: 17
Zettian Juggernaut is inducted into the Halls of Valhalla Zettian Juggernaut is inducted into the Halls of Valhalla Zettian Juggernaut is inducted into the Halls of Valhalla Zettian Juggernaut is inducted into the Halls of Valhalla Zettian Juggernaut is inducted into the Halls of Valhalla Zettian Juggernaut is inducted into the Halls of Valhalla Zettian Juggernaut is inducted into the Halls of Valhalla Zettian Juggernaut is inducted into the Halls of Valhalla Zettian Juggernaut is inducted into the Halls of Valhalla Zettian Juggernaut is inducted into the Halls of Valhalla
Re: The Book of Two-Face (II) (Design)

Nay

There are way too many weird and potently super strong interactions, for insistence: you reveal a OM on a Wrecking Crew member, have Two-Face either move or attack with another Wrecking Crew member (depending on the side of the coin) which allows you to roll for Wrecking Crew, then you finish taking a turn with a first Wrecking Crew member and roll for Wrecking Crew.

The best way I see of getting rid of these interactions and keeping it as close to what you have in the SP, would be to make it an OM reveal on Two-Face.

C3G: Books & Online Figure Request
---------------------------------------
Family: Classic Customs & Maps
--------------------------------
My SuperScape Maps
Reply With Quote
  #55  
Old September 22nd, 2016, 10:35 AM
Arkham's Avatar
Arkham Arkham is offline
Gorred the Con-petition. C3G Con Champ 2021!
 
Join Date: May 19, 2012
Location: Olympia - WA
Posts: 12,417
Images: 21
Arkham is a penguin with a machine gun Arkham is a penguin with a machine gun Arkham is a penguin with a machine gun Arkham is a penguin with a machine gun Arkham is a penguin with a machine gun Arkham is a penguin with a machine gun Arkham is a penguin with a machine gun Arkham is a penguin with a machine gun Arkham is a penguin with a machine gun Arkham is a penguin with a machine gun Arkham is a penguin with a machine gun Arkham is a penguin with a machine gun
Re: The Book of Two-Face (II) (Design)

We could always just add in the simple clause of not being able to take turns with any other figure. (something I meant to add in already to avoid such loops as Viegon mentioned earlier)

"and you may not take any additional turns with other figures you control."

Quote:
COIN FLIP DUALITY
At the start of the game, before placing Order Markers, flip the Two-Face coin. Place the face-up result on this card. After revealing an Order Marker on a Crime Lord or Criminal card you control:
  • If the Good Side is face-up on this card, you may immediately take a turn with one other Crime Lord or Criminal you control in which you may only move.
  • If the Scarred Side is face-up on this card, you may immediately take a turn with a Crime Lord or Criminal you control in which you may only attack.
After taking a turn with a figure using Coin Flip Duality, you may not take any additional turns with other figures you control. After an opponent takes a turn, if a figure you control received one or more wounds, you must flip the Two-Face coin. Place the face-up result on this card and then immediately rearrange any unrevealed Order Markers on Crime Lord or Criminal Army Cards you control.
Reply With Quote
  #56  
Old September 22nd, 2016, 11:10 AM
Viegon's Avatar
Viegon Viegon is offline
Power abusing superplaytester
 
Join Date: October 21, 2010
Location: USA - OH - Millersburg
Posts: 12,610
Images: 3
Viegon is hot lava death! Viegon is hot lava death! Viegon is hot lava death! Viegon is hot lava death! Viegon is hot lava death! Viegon is hot lava death! Viegon is hot lava death! Viegon is hot lava death! Viegon is hot lava death! Viegon is hot lava death! Viegon is hot lava death! Viegon is hot lava death! Viegon is hot lava death! Viegon is hot lava death!
Re: The Book of Two-Face (II) (Design)

I'm liking the current direction, but I agree that it needs a "no additional turns" limitation at the very least. The timing also doesn't seem right, and I'm wondering if at this point it should be split into two powers. Maybe:

Quote:
FLIP OF THE COIN
At the start of the game, before placing Order Markers, flip the Two-Face coin and place the face-up result on this card. After an opponent takes a turn, if a figure you control received one or more wounds or was destroyed during that turn, you must flip the Two-Face coin and place the face-up result on this card. After you do, you may move any unrevealed Order Markers on any Crime Lord or Criminal cards in your army to any other Crime Lord or Criminal cards you control. You may move Order Markers from Army Cards of your destroyed figures.

COIN FLIP DUALITY
After revealing an Order Marker on a Crime Lord or Criminal card you control and taking a turn with that figure, you may immediately take a turn with one other Crime Lord or Criminal you control, and you may not take any additional turns with any other figures you control. During this turn:
  • If the Good Side of the Two-Face Coin is face-up on this card, that figure cannot attack.
  • If the Scarred Side of the Two-Face Coin is face-up on this card, that figure cannot move.

C3G: Taking Superheroes to a Whole New Level!
C3V: The Legacy of Classic 'Scape!
Viegon & Family's Classic Customs, Maps, and Battlefield Videos.

Enjoy App Games? Try A Day in the Life of Atlas!
Reply With Quote
  #57  
Old September 22nd, 2016, 11:17 AM
TrollBrute's Avatar
TrollBrute TrollBrute is offline
Who ISN'T One of My Brothers??
 
Join Date: February 19, 2012
Location: USA - Ohio - Millersburg
Posts: 8,412
TrollBrute is a penguin with a machine gun TrollBrute is a penguin with a machine gun TrollBrute is a penguin with a machine gun TrollBrute is a penguin with a machine gun TrollBrute is a penguin with a machine gun TrollBrute is a penguin with a machine gun TrollBrute is a penguin with a machine gun TrollBrute is a penguin with a machine gun TrollBrute is a penguin with a machine gun TrollBrute is a penguin with a machine gun TrollBrute is a penguin with a machine gun
Re: The Book of Two-Face (II) (Vote for Initial Playtesting)

Looking over things again, I'm not a big fan of the flip on wounds to your figures. Thematically, it feels like Two-Face reacting to things more than acting, and doesn't quite get the chaotic nature of the character I think you're going for.

Much more importantly, it's a lot for the opponent to track. That's something that often gets overlooked in solo testing, but cards whose powers change constantly can be a headache to play against. I think we'll be stuck with it somewhat on this design anyway, but the current version is too much in my opinion. It'll lead to the game really slowing down if I have to stop every turn and calculate what my opponent can do if I deal a wound or not. It's a lot of changing strategies, and it forces the opponent to choose more than it does the controlling player.

".... the Cambridge ladies do not care, above
Cambridge if sometimes in its box of
sky lavender and cornerless, the
moon rattles like a fragment of angry candy"
Reply With Quote
  #58  
Old September 22nd, 2016, 11:21 AM
Arkham's Avatar
Arkham Arkham is offline
Gorred the Con-petition. C3G Con Champ 2021!
 
Join Date: May 19, 2012
Location: Olympia - WA
Posts: 12,417
Images: 21
Arkham is a penguin with a machine gun Arkham is a penguin with a machine gun Arkham is a penguin with a machine gun Arkham is a penguin with a machine gun Arkham is a penguin with a machine gun Arkham is a penguin with a machine gun Arkham is a penguin with a machine gun Arkham is a penguin with a machine gun Arkham is a penguin with a machine gun Arkham is a penguin with a machine gun Arkham is a penguin with a machine gun Arkham is a penguin with a machine gun
Re: The Book of Two-Face (II) (Vote for Initial Playtesting)

I'm certainly fine with splitting it into 2 separate powers. It may make things run smoother and read better. We'll definitely address the wording/spacing in due time.

As for the limitation, it's absolutely going to be added in. It was an oversight, I wasn't planning on letting crazy loops happen. I thought I addressed everything in the revision but that slipped through the cracks. I don't think anyone will have an issue with making that change.
Reply With Quote
  #59  
Old September 22nd, 2016, 11:27 AM
Arkham's Avatar
Arkham Arkham is offline
Gorred the Con-petition. C3G Con Champ 2021!
 
Join Date: May 19, 2012
Location: Olympia - WA
Posts: 12,417
Images: 21
Arkham is a penguin with a machine gun Arkham is a penguin with a machine gun Arkham is a penguin with a machine gun Arkham is a penguin with a machine gun Arkham is a penguin with a machine gun Arkham is a penguin with a machine gun Arkham is a penguin with a machine gun Arkham is a penguin with a machine gun Arkham is a penguin with a machine gun Arkham is a penguin with a machine gun Arkham is a penguin with a machine gun Arkham is a penguin with a machine gun
Re: The Book of Two-Face (II) (Vote for Initial Playtesting)

so much for a simple design...

You guys are all on different pages here. I'm not sure where to go with this or if there is anywhere to go with it that any sort can agree upon. I've played 5 games with him, and every game was fun, felt balanced, strategic, and exciting. It felt like a Crime Boss pulling strings from the sidelines and then eventually getting his hands dirty. It had a sense of strategy and chaos with the coin flips, but at no point did it feel tedious on either side of the board.

Perhaps you guys should run some games of your own and see how you feel, because maybe something isn't translating here.
Reply With Quote
  #60  
Old September 22nd, 2016, 11:48 AM
Viegon's Avatar
Viegon Viegon is offline
Power abusing superplaytester
 
Join Date: October 21, 2010
Location: USA - OH - Millersburg
Posts: 12,610
Images: 3
Viegon is hot lava death! Viegon is hot lava death! Viegon is hot lava death! Viegon is hot lava death! Viegon is hot lava death! Viegon is hot lava death! Viegon is hot lava death! Viegon is hot lava death! Viegon is hot lava death! Viegon is hot lava death! Viegon is hot lava death! Viegon is hot lava death! Viegon is hot lava death! Viegon is hot lava death!
Re: The Book of Two-Face (II) (Vote for Initial Playtesting)

We could switch from "flip when you take wounds" to "flip when you deal wounds". Similar theme/idea, but puts less on your opponent to think through (since it's all happening on your turn dependent on what you do).

C3G: Taking Superheroes to a Whole New Level!
C3V: The Legacy of Classic 'Scape!
Viegon & Family's Classic Customs, Maps, and Battlefield Videos.

Enjoy App Games? Try A Day in the Life of Atlas!
Reply With Quote
Reply

Go Back   Heroscapers > Marvel Legends HeroScape > Comic Hero Custom Creations > C3G Project > C3G Library
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Face book seller. edilsonm Sales and Trades 0 June 6th, 2016 11:04 AM
The Book of Two-Face Hahma C3G Library 41 March 7th, 2015 11:54 AM
I'll rok ur face!!!! frenchfriedfarts General 0 November 2nd, 2007 11:42 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 05:02 AM.

Heroscape background footer

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2021 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.