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Re: What Exactly is "Balanced"
Sure, banning D&D units makes great sense being they are the most widely available ones for new players to use.
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I hope you adopt as Priority #1 this goal: Get People To Come. That should be #1. It's up to you, but I'd pick a format with that in mind. Good luck, DA. |
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My I recommend the Format in my sig, it is fun and promotes diversity. (It also has a good chance of adding a figure to Ollie's list)
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I think I presented it a bit clumsily at first. This thread has given me a lot of perspective on where Legacy sits in the Heroscape community. Some hate it, some love it, some misunderstand it and the vast majority of 'scape players have probably never heard of it. Well, there is one thing people agree on: I picked a dumb name. -- This thread has already established that Heroscape is fun. I'm assuming we think Heroscape is fun partly because of the terrain, cool units, dice rolling, good time with friends, and simple rules, quick play time, great strategy, the list goes on. This thread still needs to answer how the current unit balance makes it fun. Why did the designers make the choices they made. I think this type of inspection honors the game, but some people probably think it has all the fun of explaining a joke until it isn't funny anymore. Interesting questions: 1) What are the implications for Raelin's low cost on the metagame? 2) Are the right high powered units critical for a fun metagame? 3) Are there 'low skill required' units in heroscape? DED? Atlaga? 'Godball'? 4) should these units be low power units to keep the metagame fun? 5) Are there really powerful situational units? EI? Obsidian Guards? Repulsors? 6) should these units be low power to keep the metagame fun? 7)What are the superior substitute units? KoW > MacDirks? Stingers > TSA? 8.) Is there a common thread in superior substitutes? Maybe higher potential in the lesser picked squad? 9) Ollie mentioned (I'm going to butcher this) that tournament winning figures appearances followed the power law. Why is this the right distribution? Sudema is top notch in Heroscape: Legacy. Try out this alternative unit cost system at your next game day or tournament. |
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Interesting discussion with lots of strong opinions. It almost sounds like some people are in fear of Legacy taking over and becoming the standard way to play Heroscape. Really, why does anyone care? It all comes down to "Does Legacy make Heroscape as fun or more fun than the original cards?". If your answer is yes then play Legacy. If "No" then do not. That seems simple to me. If there is a Legacy tournament and you hate Legacy, well no one is holding a gun to your head, stay home. I think in these situations the attendance to said events will speak for themselves.
As far as banning D&D units ?!? As stated before, great way to exclude new players and some of the best units ever made. Though nearly impossible in a tournament event I am a big supporter of random armies. You find out how good you really are when you fight an unknown army with an unknown army. The balance comes in the list itself and a little bit of the luck of the roll. This is a great thread in the fact that it shows how deeply many have been affected by a bunch of plastic. I do not see a real resolution for this discussion. Perhaps we should switch to an easier topic, like the meaning of life. Peace and love and best of luck to everyone in their quest for "balance". A cloud can change its semblance, yet retain its will With the intimacy of destruction, One knows what it is to be alive The empty sky holds no reflection, for sorrow - Eslo Rudkey |
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The Data is a large reason why many people like Legacy. They want to see more units having legitimate chances to win Tournaments. For example compare how many tournaments 10th have won vs how many tournaments G Nators have won, or how many tournaments KOW have won vs how many tournaments WOB have won, or how many tournaments Raeliln ROTV has won vs Raelin SOTM (even if you ony count from the time the WOB and SOTM were released)
My thinking is that it would be an only Classic Heroscape Tournament. Banning Marvel excludes some players and some of the Best Units but people still do it regularly. |
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D&D is classic scape, Marvel is not, just ask GB, big difference there. As stated before newbies have the easiest access to D&D over what you call classic scape... peace
A cloud can change its semblance, yet retain its will With the intimacy of destruction, One knows what it is to be alive The empty sky holds no reflection, for sorrow - Eslo Rudkey |
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If it's your event don't let other people tell you how to run it, even if they needle you for forbidding the most commonly available units out there. Better to have something than nothing. |
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I could not have said it better, ever. I truly do hope you have the best turnout and most fun and thrilling tournament. You are performing a great service. No one can play in any kind of tourney if people like you do not take the time to put forth the effort to make it happen. A round of thanks and applause to all organizers, directors, supporters, volunteers, and players coming ready to play... thank you ~'scape on A cloud can change its semblance, yet retain its will With the intimacy of destruction, One knows what it is to be alive The empty sky holds no reflection, for sorrow - Eslo Rudkey |
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