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Re: The Book of Brother Voodoo - Public Playtesting

I can probably watch over him. I'm not super active right now, but neither is anyone else, and I get on daily at least.

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Well...

Initial awful thought that I had and was going to playtest (I'll try and get some tests in soon) was Indigo-1, Voodoo, Cash, and Bizarro and just have Voodoo wreck the start zone. However, that's three figures in the reeval queue with him. A similar principle arise with simply having Stewart shuttle him somewhere and setting up camp creating a similar process. Sage+Loki is also an option but I think it's only marginally more powerful than the build I suggested (and might actually be less powerful depending on the support). Anyways, those were my initial thoughts and I still stand by them.

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Re: The Book of Brother Voodoo - Public Playtesting

Have a bunch of AIM Agents go against him. Lots of attacks of 3 and their special attack doesn't require sight of a figure. Weaponized Virus can do wonders

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Initial awful thought that I had and was going to playtest (I'll try and get some tests in soon) was Indigo-1, Voodoo, Cash, and Bizarro and just have Voodoo wreck the start zone. However, that's three figures in the reeval queue with him. A similar principle arise with simply having Stewart shuttle him somewhere and setting up camp creating a similar process. Sage+Loki is also an option but I think it's only marginally more powerful than the build I suggested (and might actually be less powerful depending on the support). Anyways, those were my initial thoughts and I still stand by them.

~Dysole, who's got voodoo and he's got hoodoo and things he ain't even tried
fret just signed up, so I'm going to send these suggestions to him. Many of those units may end up reevaluated, but at least we'll have an idea of how strong it is.

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Re: The Book of Brother Voodoo - Public Playtesting

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Have a bunch of AIM Agents go against him. Lots of attacks of 3 and their special attack doesn't require sight of a figure. Weaponized Virus can do wonders
Well of course there are counters to him... the question is more whether he's too strong in a double-blind setting.

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Initial awful thought that I had and was going to playtest (I'll try and get some tests in soon) was Indigo-1, Voodoo, Cash, and Bizarro and just have Voodoo wreck the start zone. However, that's three figures in the reeval queue with him.
Yeah, my current policy is to not use re-eval units in testing (except of course when testing a re-eval unit). If you need Cash and Bizarro to break Voodoo, then what's really doing the breaking? Probably Cash and Bizarro, right?

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Sage+Loki is also an option but I think it's only marginally more powerful than the build I suggested (and might actually be less powerful depending on the support).
Again, Sage is in the queue, so if Loki+Voodoo+Sage is broken it's more of an argument about Sage than one about Voodoo.

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A similar principle arise with simply having Stewart shuttle him somewhere and setting up camp creating a similar process.
That's where I end up, too. Voodoo + John Stewart + Alfred Pennyworth + Wong seems like a good place to start. Lots of nice cross-synergy there (Stewart carries everyone, Voodoo can hide everyone if needed, Alfred can heal Stewart and Voodoo, etc). You can tack on all sorts of stuff to that 700 point core. Any additional figures may as well be flyers since John Stewart's basket is already filled to capacity.

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Re: The Book of Brother Voodoo - Public Playtesting

Yeah, I understand the counter thing and not the best for testing. But I guess I threw it out there more because it seems like pod armies are a big thing in competitive play, or are at least brought up a lot in discussions.

It's why I asked about squad play in a previous thread, as it seems like there are certain build types that seem to be prevalent (or at least talked about), but I've never seen a discussion about someone saying, "oh man, I had this great pod army and got slaughtered by such in such army" or that "this area of effect attacking army was nasty vs. my pod. "

When you guys discuss putting xyz units together to see how super powerful a concerning unit may be, I guess it just seems like counter armies aren't discussed, as if nobody brings a counter army to try to beat a popular build type. Now I realize the some of what the online competitive guys do is draft against each other on the spot before a match, but what about competitive play when people bring armies to a "live" match where they can totally counter another player, just by bringing something to go against a popular build type?

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Re: The Book of Brother Voodoo - Public Playtesting

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NAME OF THE TEST UNIT Brother Voodoo


- THEME TEST/ Check to see if there are any powers or stats on the test unit card that does not accurately reflect the theme or likeness of what the character would and could do. Also consider destructible objects, and whether or not this characters powers should affect them.
Pass

- MIRROR TEST/ Check to see if the unit were played against itself, if there would be any loops that would upset the balance of the Game.
Pass


- BONDING TEST/ Compare the unit card with all possible currently existing Bonding abilities to make sure there are no continual Bonding possibilities that do not stop appropriately or do not stop at all. This is to prevent loops in Bonding.
Pass.

- SYNERGIES TEST/ Compare the unit card with all possible currently existing synergies to make sure there are no factors that could break the game by making any unit to powerful or too weak.
Pass.


- POWER CHECK/ Consider the test unit and all existing units and all glyphs to compare to and check for any powers that could be over amplified and break the game. Each power must define when it takes place, who or what it affects, and What are the stipulations on the power if there are any.
Pass.

- FUN TEST/ Consider whether or not the design was fun to play.
Pass.

- FUN COMPETITIVE TEST/ Consider whether or not the design was fun to play against.
Pass.

- DRAFTING TEST/ Consider whether or not this design is worth drafting.
Fail. Although his powers are great, his limitations hold him back from being worth his points.


- USAGE TEST/ Consider whether or not all of the powers on this card were used or at least usable.
Pass.


- STRATEGY TEST/ Consider whether or not the design offers any real strategy or interesting tactics to the overall game.
Pass.


When I first read over his powers, I thought “here is another Puppet Master, only with even more defensive powers”. So I decided to have him go against 2 strong and well tested armies. It turns out that his range limitation and X OM double dependency really hold him back. Even in a strong defensive pod he was easy to take down. Overall I would say that he is not worth his points.

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Army Test
- Does it pass, Yes or No? Yes

- What should be the unit's point value? 150-200

Give a brief overview. I actually ran this battle twice, during the first test Brother Voodoo was destroyed just as quickly. Jean Grey easily broke up the defensive pod and the double attacks given by Professor X made short work of Brother Voodoo.
Map: Swamp Lab
Units: MYSTIC SMOKE (990) – Alfred Pennyworth (60), Batman (170), Brother Voodoo (210), Green Lantern (340), Robin (120), Wong (90)VERSUS X-MEN (1000) – Angel (90), Beast, (170), Cyclops (190), Iceman (150), Jean Grey (180), Professor X (220)
UNIT SUM-UP
Damage Inflicted(normal attacks): 0
Power Usage/Effectiveness:
Mystical Smoke: 1 time, but uneffective

Spirit Possession: 1 attempt, 1 success
Magical Defense: 4 times

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Army Test
- Does it pass, Yes or No? Yes

- What should be the unit's point value? 150-180

Give a brief overview. The dice were strongly against Brother Voodoo’s team. He just could not get the rolls for possession and even Aquaman couldn’t heal him while in water. Overall Brother Voodoo did not shine in this game.
Map: Swamp Lab
Units: INTANGABLE MYSTIC (1010) – Aquaman (230), Brother Voodoo (210), Manchester Black (190), Martian Manhunter (300), Shadowcat (80)VERSUS FANTASTIC FOUR (1000) – Human Torch (225), Invisible Woman (215), Mister Fantastic (235), The Thing (325)
UNIT SUM-UP
Damage Inflicted(normal attacks): 0 wounds
Power Usage/Effectiveness:
Mystical Smoke: 0 times

Spirit Possession: 4 attempts, 1 success
Magical Defense: 2 times

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Something of a pod test here, but not a very strong one and facing a counter in Jean Grey. Still, we haven't had anything to say he's worth more than 210... I tested him with Stewart, but no defensive figures, and he didn't play too strong. And that was with the roll at 6 instead of 8.

@Dysole , do you think you'll get around to any tests this week? We're in to crunch time with Brother Voodoo now.

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I was in Canada this weekend and my computer has been acting up. I'll try to get something in but the computer is going to be the big determinant on how quickly I do.

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Re: The Book of Brother Voodoo - Public Playtesting

Does anyone have any serious worries here? With the testing we've had, 210 seems pretty solid. We even have a few pod tests (me, Viegon, fret's above), though mine were tested with his initial roll at 6+ instead of 8+. I would normally wait for more tests, but the hope was to have him released by the 31st, so we're on a deadline. I feel like he's fine at 210, but I don't want to push him forward if there are worries about his power level.

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Hopefully

I may have time this week to get a playtest in but grad school is eating up a decent chunk of time.

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Re: The Book of Brother Voodoo - Public Playtesting

I feel comfortable with him at 210, and the only potentially worrisome combos seem to be units that are all in reevaluation, so I propose that Brother Voodoo move to Final Editing.

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Re: The Book of Brother Voodoo - vote for Final Editing!

FWIW I am comfortable with releasing him. Voodoo/Stewart/Pennyworth/Wong is a very strong army core but I don't think it's too crazy.
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