The Book of Civilians

[GreyOwl]

I agree with Bats.

[Balantai]

I also agree with Bats. What about making "Riot" and Special Power?

[Griffin]

I am pretty darn certain that we decided a long way back that we would have them as Civilian Rioters. I am fine with them not being Rioters, that is not my scenario agenda , I simply thought that it was something that we had agreed to already. I am good either way, but I think it is important that all of us (me included) know exactly what units we are creating so we all know what to expect out of them thematically.

[IAmBatman]

Is it something we need to hash out in the voting thread? Or are we happy to accept that the prevailing sentiment seems to be that they should be more generic civilian types?
As I recall, we originally voted in our street thugs as "gangsters" but they didn't exactly end up that way ... (and, for the better, in my extremely biased opinion. ).

[Griffin]

Like I said, either direction is fine with me. I would like to know what that direction is though, or it will hard for me to chime in with constructive input.

[IAmBatman]

Well, Balantai, GreyOwl, and I all seem to favor the generic Civilian approach. I'd like to hear from others, though.

[Hahma]

I wasn't part of the original vote to get the Civilians in, so I didn't know what was expected for them. My more offensive versions presented before in original X-Men thread didn't receive much favor. So I've learned that it seemed that something different was expected.

I guess I've been swayed to have the Civilians more generic rather than X-Men specific (as in anti-Mutant rioters or whatever). I think if they are generic, they can be used in many more situations.

To get "rioting" Civilians, perhaps that has to be written into the scenario where they are attacking the X-Men while the Villains are stirring things up and getting into it. The X-Men may have to fight off a couple meddling Villains but not hurt the Civilians. The Civilians can even start out in control of the Adrenaline Rush Glyph in order to give them +1 to attack. I don't know, but I'm sure there can be ways to represent the Civilians as rioters in scenarios without forcing them to be full-time rioters.

[Griffin]

I think for the sake of all future games, scenarios, sets, and whatnot, normal civilians would be my pick over rioters. Not to say that I wouldn't want some rioters at some point, but casual in-the-way civies would be appropriate right now I think, at least for what I would want. Death Reaver Scatter + Zombie Horde Movement is a good way to capture that. Props!

[IAmBatman]

Sounds like most people are good with the generic version, then, so we should probably go forward with that.
Is "Panic" and "Villain or Hero" enough to round these guys out?

[Hahma]

Originally Posted by IAmBatman

Sounds like most people are good with the generic version, then, so we should probably go forward with that.
Is "Panic" and "Villain or Hero" enough to round these guys out?

Do we want to have Crowd Movement in there as well for more flavor and easier potential for riotous usage in the right scenario? Could the addition of Crowd Movement make them more interesting and useful for "Villain or Hero" as well, and kind of making them a general nuisance and unpredictible for your opponent?

[Hahma]

double post

[IAmBatman]

Hmm ... after thinking about it further I'm not sure that Villain or Hero really offers a true advantage for the Hero side of things ... I mean, even if I'm using someone like Captain America, who thematically would always be the hero, speaking strategically, why would I ever choose to use Cap to defend the civilian, instead of using the civilian to take the bullet for Cap?
Also, that aspect of the Hero or Villain power - I'll call it the "Villain" part - seems pretty similar to the "Protect and Serve" power on the Cops.
I'm starting to think the "Strength in Numbers" power is a better way to go ... and the Hero or Villain type of power might be better used as a scenario rule.