Unit Debate #15 -- Nilfheim Vs. Braxas

[Xn F M]

Originally Posted by ICEMASTER

Nilf is a much better unit than Braxas. Though my sisters like her because she's a queen.

But so is Nilfheim



Edit: The image was taken form Dragonslayers MoaM

[MegaSilver]

Originally Posted by killercactus

I could see TKN vs. SBN vs. WSG or something like that. MBS could be in the discussion with NGS and KMS.

ABC. It's easy as 123.

I don't like making things too obvious...(excluding this debate.) It's not as easy as 123. Those are not the only real possiblities....

Based on the guesses now, you will all be shocked...

MegaSilver, Unit Debate Master

[GreenLanturn]

Originally Posted by MegaSilver

I don't like making things too obvious...(excluding this debate.) It's not as easy as 123. Those are not the only real possiblities....

Based on the guesses now, you will all be shocked...

MegaSilver, Unit Debate Master

Marvel? I'm actually thinking of picking up the Marvel set, Captain America just looks cool.

I voted Nilfheim. He is just too good, and fits into more armies. I know there is only a 25 point difference, but it makes quite the difference when sinking it all into one figure. I'd do a write up like I normally do, but I've been tied recently.

I'll be looking forward to the next debate with my guess high on the obvious side.

[Greyelephant]

There's no way you go wrong with either dragon.


Braxas is a squad killa'. Nilfheim can hold up in any situation.

Braxas has a very weak defense and needs support to boost it. Nilfheim can hold his own.

Braxas' special can kill just about anything with any lucky roll. Nilfheim needs not only a lucky roll, but needs his opponent not to match.

Both move very well.

Neither have range outside of their specials.

Both specials have limitations.

Braxas is more expensive. (just like a woman in real life)



I always determine the worth of a figure based off of their points. Can this figure destroy enough figures to warrant it's point value? Braxas is a squad killer. So for her, she'd have to kill close to 3 total squads (speculatively) to match her point costs. That means she'd have to stay alive for atleast 3 rounds (of actual battle) to be able to accomplish that task.

With that said, I'd still choose Braxas. I think with not only her special to aid her, but her intimidation factor coming into play as well. She's one formidable dragon.



Oh, and by the way. Next week is Captain America vs Doctor Doom. Good indeed.

[Hero Hot Hatch]

I'm shocked! How can Nilfheim dominate the voting so clearly. I voted for Braxas given its useful > 50% chance of killing a squad figure (of course he's better against squads). The voting should be closer than it is IMO How can I be so wrong?!?! I'm wrong many times, but rarely this clear. I know Braxas should have had 4 for defense and special attack of 5 range. That's where some of the advantages are in Nilfheim.

If these dragons weren't so ugly, I would play them more and know them better. Both sculpts turn me off. They aren't within my style and taste. That's probably why I understand them less than you (or most voters here).

[lefton4ya]

I think if this debate and poll was done again, Braxas would win. With the glut of squadscape and units with defensive bonuses that Braxas cuts through (ahem Rats and Raelin) I think she is much more common in both tournaments and draft games.

[Lazy Orang]

Nilfheim is more generalist. Braxas is more specialised, but better at what she does (and, with a little luck, can be particularly devastating), while also being more expensive. Nilfheim probably wins out all round, but I can't deny a sneaking love for Braxas. (Plus, no one's better at dealing with agents, samurai and kyrie than she is.)
Also worth noting is the fact that Nilfheim's Ice Shard Breath can be stymied by engagement, while Poisonous Acid Breath can't. I think that's an oft ignored by rather significant advantage to Braxas. (The existence of Greenscales to screen probably made this less of a big deal, but it's still noteworthy.)

[Tornado]

All hail the queen.

[Cleon]

Nilfheim is better but I think Braxas is also very very good. She's a bit underrated I think. But yeah, Nilfheim's the best dragon. Then Braxas. If you're playing with VC it's Nilfheim>Quahon>Braxas, all 3 are very strong and I regard them all in the same tier. After Braxas, Zelrig takes the crown. Though I think you could make an argument for Charos - there's something to be said for Charos+4th, and also Charos is maybe the most consistent dragon, I don't think I've ever had or seen a game where I felt 'yeah Charos didn't do anything.' But Zelrig's highs put him a clear cut above Charos in my mind. Also now that they all have Greenscales, there's a defensive style of Zelrig you can do with podding up Greenscales and getting a shot at 7 range off (regardless of if it's at common clusters or not) each turn and is the opposite of a suicide bomb. I think it's an unexplored style, Eternal Thanos was the first to do it I believe back in like 2011 at GC and he had success with it (also had Raelin). I think his army was Zelrig/Raelin/Greenscalesx3/MW? Could be wrong.

Now I'm rambling off about the dragons lol. Might as well finish....after Charos I think it goes Moltenclaw>Mimring>Othkurik, and if you're playing VC, then Brimstone is last. But honestly I don't think any dragon is a bad unit, thanks to the Greenscales - they give all of them a solid bonding team as an option...even Brimstone.