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Old January 10th, 2018, 09:30 AM
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Re: Sports: NFL

With the return of Josh Gordon, I think it's possible that you are right, but for most of the last two years I'd say I disagree with your statement. Besides Gordon and the injured Joe Thomas, what other player on Cleveland's team is even a possible HoFer? I came up with zero. Even more strange and more glaring is their lack of talent at "skill positions." I'd say keeping Hue says, "We believe the problem is something other than coaching." I know people say it all the time, but you can't make chicken salad from chicken s#it, no matter how good a chef you are.

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Old January 10th, 2018, 09:33 AM
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Re: Sports: NFL

It's interesting how fans are.

I see bloggers and social media fans of the Bengals and the Ravens complaining about their teams' failure to do better with off season coaching moves and no "housecleaning," but both franchises have been fairly successful for the last few years. "But no playoff wins," the Bengals' fans complain, when Marvin Lewis gets an extension. "But it's been a few years," the Ravens' fans complain.

Meanwhile, I recently heard a Browns print journalist say that for all the Ravens fans complaining about Joe, they'd love to have him in Cleveland. Capable, durable, low-drama. They'd build a statue of him! But he was wrong, of course. They'd complain, just like pretty much all fans complain.* Whatever it is that the team is, you get to complain that it isn't the next level higher.

I get it, from Browns & Lions fans. God love 'em, unless they're defending the play of Ndomukong Suh. Which they don't have to do anymore.

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Old January 10th, 2018, 10:48 AM
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Re: Sports: NFL

I understand the argument for not drafting QB after QB, but if you really think about it, how long has it been since the Super Bowl was won by a team without a premier QB? 2003? The game has changed in 15 years and passing is more important than it's ever been.

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Re: Sports: NFL

Only non HOF QB to win one in the last ten years is Flacco, who was at least a fairly high draft pick.

For Spidey, what HOF talent was on the Detroit team other than Megatron with nobody to throw to him? Cleveland arguably has better running backs and better defensive players (especially on the defensive line) than were on that Detroit team.

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Old January 10th, 2018, 11:25 AM
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Re: Sports: NFL

Russell Wilson? And Manning got his with Denver, but it sure wasn’t in a HoF-worthy season.

Regardless, even if you do need a superior QB to win the Super Bowl, if there’s a surefire 10-year starter at LT, and a 50/50 shot at a competent QB, if all other things are equal you take the tackle.

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Re: Sports: NFL

Wilson is the 2nd-highest-paid player in the entire league. Maybe not be a HOFer (at least yet), but that certainly qualifies as "premier" in my book. Like IAmBatman said, Flacco is really the only questionable one, but I think you'd support him being included in the high echelon

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Re: Sports: NFL

Wilson was not one of the highest paid players in the league when he won the Super Bowl, and like I said, Peyton was not playing like a HoFer the year he won it with the Broncos. It can be done, and you should *never* draft a Johnny Manziel in the first. You want to take a flyer on a guy with red flags, or whose skill set may not transfer, wait until later rounds. Let the Browns take the Johnny Manziels, leaving others for Team Josiah.

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Only non HOF QB to win one in the last ten years is Flacco, who was at least a fairly high draft pick.

For Spidey, what HOF talent was on the Detroit team other than Megatron with nobody to throw to him? Cleveland arguably has better running backs and better defensive players (especially on the defensive line) than were on that Detroit team.
I was exactly referring to Megatron. The fact he was so good with crap QBs is why I do consider him a HoFer. But frankly Cleveland has no one comparable.

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Re: Sports: NFL

Something I missed in live play that's, in retrospect, pretty remarkable:

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Re: Sports: NFL

All too familiar story. So so tired of them.

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Re: Sports: NFL

And the lack of holding and the questionable DPI calls... I'm not a conspiracy theorist but I definitely hate the Patriots.
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And the lack of holding and the questionable DPI calls... I'm not a conspiracy theorist but I definitely hate the Patriots.
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