The Book of Punisher

[GreyOwl]

Originally Posted by A3n

I personally wouldn't wan't the shotgun to affect him, but I would prefer it if all affected units require LOS. I know the official precedence you sighted has it as not being required but it just doesn't make sense to me & I don't think we should perpetuate it.

[whitestuff]

The Punisher is looking great. One of my all-time favourite comics is where the Punisher kills the entire Marvel Universe...

I'd hoped the Punisher would be an offensive powerhouse; our A+ Q9.

Keep the life at 5. I'm really starting to tire of the thinking that a human must have a life of 4. It is . Our Batman and Magneto suffer because of it. The original game never imposed such rigid thinking and I don't think we should either.

I love the auto-shotty and would rather keep it over a sniper attack.

Should the Armour piercing rocket effect adjacent figure? Seems a bit odd that it doesn't...

[Hahma]

Originally Posted by whitestuff

The Punisher is looking great. One of my all-time favourite comics is where the Punisher kills the entire Marvel Universe...

I'd hoped the Punisher would be an offensive powerhouse; our A+ Q9.

Keep the life at 5. I'm really starting to tire of the thinking that a human must have a life of 4. It is . Our Batman and Magneto suffer because of it. The original game never imposed such rigid thinking and I don't think we should either.

I love the auto-shotty and would rather keep it over a sniper attack.

Should the Armour piercing rocket effect adjacent figure? Seems a bit odd that it doesn't...

Thanks Whitestuff.

Doesn't look like many others share your interest in him being an offensive powerhouse, so he's been depowered.

I had started out with a life of 5 for him but again, he was perceived to be too powerful, so I cut it and his defense down to 4 (they were both 5 originally). I had fought to get Magneto a life of 5, but was told that he was perfect the way he was and that he was quite powerful.

Auto-Shotgun is a little less than it was originally due to overpowered concerns expressed.

Regarding the Armor Piercing Rocket - I didn't think it was ultra thematic for him to be able to shoot a rocket launcher point blank, and I figured it would also help keep the power leve down some.

[GreyOwl]

Originally Posted by whitestuff

I'm really starting to tire of the thinking that a human must have a life of 4. It is . Our Batman and Magneto suffer because of it. The original game never imposed such rigid thinking and I don't think we should either.

I SO agree with you here! The Life should be determined by the specific needs and balance of each figure, and not on some arbitrary rule.

[Hahma]

Originally Posted by A3n

Ok what about something like:

Cheers

Thanks for the suggestion A3n, I made the chage.

Originally Posted by GreyOwl

I made the change to shotgun requiring clear sight shot for other affected figures. If this sticks, I think it should be precedent for ALL shotgun special attacks used from here on out for any C3G unit. I'm not down with having it changed away from the original version for a couple units and then changed back to roll with the official wording later for units that someone is more fond of. That would be B.S. and wouldn't fly with me. This should also be considered for other attacks that affect adjacent figures. If you can't see it, you can't hit it.

[IAmBatman]

I've never had a problem with explosive attacks affecting figures you can't see - seems perfectly thematic. You're only aiming for the original target and everything else is splash damage.
I think the official game has really set that precedent of doing things and we can and should stick to it.
I'm even being sold on him and Alfred not being affected by their own shotgun blasts because, clearly, I know less about the mechanics of shotguns than you guys.
I'm going to check the first post, but hopefully you didn't depower him too much, Hahma. I think more people are in favor of a powerful Punisher than you're gathering. At most, one or two comments have been in favor of depowering him and the majority, quieter perhaps?, of the comments have been really happy with the original draft.
Btw, I like life of 5 on him. I just though 5 defense might be too much in combination.

[IAmBatman]

After reviewing the first post, I say shame on you, Hahma, for caving to very limited pressure in the face of many people loving what you had originally.
I'm going to start rallying right here to get that life back up to 5 and to fix Auto Shotgun and return it to its original glory.
With only a range of 3, absolutely no reason it shouldn't be a triple attack of 3 with explosive potential and not require that ridiculous LOS on all other affected figures for splash damage. The official game has a clear precedent for how splash damage is handled and I see absolutely no reason to depart from that.
I've gotta teach you to fight a little more for your great ideas, Hahma! It's one thing if there's a clear majority not loving it, but I just don't see that here.

[Griffin]

Lots of guns.... oh look, a few more guns.... and he has a rocket.... yep, that's Punisher!

[GreyOwl]

Originally Posted by IAmBatman

After reviewing the first post, I say shame on you, Hahma, for caving to very limited pressure in the face of many people loving what you had originally.
I'm going to start rallying right here to get that life back up to 5 and to fix Auto Shotgun and return it to its original glory.
With only a range of 3, absolutely no reason it shouldn't be a triple attack of 3 with explosive potential and not require that ridiculous LOS on all other affected figures for splash damage. The official game has a clear precedent for how splash damage is handled and I see absolutely no reason to depart from that.
I've gotta teach you to fight a little more for your great ideas, Hahma! It's one thing if there's a clear majority not loving it, but I just don't see that here.

I agree with Life 5, and that he can be more powerful if you want him that way. But a shotgun shooting around corners is just wrong, thematically. It's not an explosion, it's basically a bunch of small bullets. Allowing this is no different than allowing a handgun to shoot figures that are not in LOS. I know the official shotgun power allows it, but that makes no sense to me. I guess the idea was that the shot spreads out, which is true, but it would also allow you to shoot around corners, which is odd.

[IAmBatman]

I think it really requires awkward language to require LOS on figures adjacent to the originally targeted figure and it doesn't follow a very clear official precedent. There are lots of things in the official precedent that aren't necessarily thematically perfect, but I don't think all of those are things I'd rush to change.
I think people would look down on a Punisher who's shotgun was less effective than James Murphy's.

[Griffin]

The Official way of handling the Shotgun is what it is. If we want to do a different shotgun we can obviously, but I have personally never had a problem with, or played with anyone who had a problem with the rare times when a figure that is not within clear sight is affected. I think this is one that you are very likely to loose GO, considering how long the official Shotgun has been around, and how many people love it.

[GreyOwl]

It wasn't my idea, several other people brought it up before me.