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Re: Sports: NFL
The key point is that both the Broncos and Ravens have had much worse QB than the Lions as of late and still much better franchise success.
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#7154
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Sounds good, Bats. Ever since the Lions got rid of Suh, I've had much more sympathy for their long-suffering fans.
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#7155
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Kap was riding the bench for quite a while there for a reason, and it was before he started kneeling. As a casual fan you might think he was doing a great job, but the coaches he was playing for know much more about what is going on in the locker room and on the field. They know when he's not doing what the called play was asking him to do. They know what kind of leader he is and how the other players respond to him. They also talk to the other coaches around the league. If he still had top 16 QB potential, someone in the bottom half of the league would take on the media circus and roll the dice with him. Since he doesn't, they are going to try and find a top 16 QB somewhere else, if they can't find one they know their team lead by a less than top 16 QB has a better chance to find success without having the media circus in town.
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#7156
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Lions fans were suffering for half a century before we got Suh.
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Yes. And yet, I was less sympathetic for a time because of him. I would watch him stomp somebody on a Sunday and then on Monday read about how sad the situation was, after the loss, because of the fans' disappointment. Hard to be sympathetic.
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#7158
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For sure. I’ve yet to feel sympathetic for 90% of the franchises in the league. Probably the Browns. Maybe Minnesota.
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#7159
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Thought break - it was an article on Bill Walsh, talking about (among many other things) his push to get that failure of a QB, Steve Young, away from the Bucs. ...bad scheme fits. It pointed out that OCs tailoring their scheme to the skill set of a QB has been demonstrated to generate success. One thing the article claims happens is that a new coach comes in and they want to run their scheme and then they try to fit a "NFL caliber" QB into that scheme. Sometimes it's a good fit. Sometimes notsomuch. Anyhoo, all that to say that I think Kaep is more than capable of being a top 16 QB in this league with an OC who tailors the offense to him. I'm just not sure there are many OCs that want to run the type of offense that would be. ~Aldin, optomistically ETA Here's the money quote Quote:
He either fears his fate too much or his desserts are small That dares not put it to the touch to gain or lose it all ~James Graham Last edited by Aldin; September 7th, 2018 at 04:51 PM. |
#7160
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The idea that he's so bad at running plays out of the pocket that he doesn't merit a roster spot just doesn't withstand analysis. Quote:
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I get the "media circus" argument. Once we're willing to admit that he's good enough quarterback to be on a roster, then we can discuss whether he's worth the attention that his political stances bring. That's at least a fair argument. There's a couple problems with that argument, though:
I can understand a team with a young starter, or a bad team with a decent starting QB and a reasonably competent backup (Colts, for example) not wanting to bring in Kaepernick. But a good team with a bad backup, or a bad starter? It doesn't seem to make football sense. But then, it's not about football. |
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Your sympathies are appreciated. Agony is becoming an expected side effect of being a Vikings fan. There are 3 losses in my lifetime that effect me emotionally more than I care to admit. And that doesn't even include last year's NFC championship embarrassment.
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#7162
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I still want y’all to lose against the Lions though.
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Seems like you have blinders on to me. There are so many factors that influence a teams decision process. As Aldin just mentioned, scheme fit is a bit one, not every QB fits into every system and teams don't just overhaul their entire playbook mid-season when their QB1 goes down for a guy signed off the street. If they sign or trade for a guy mid-season he's expected to run the offense they already have in place. It's not just the QB who is a scheme fit either, the rest of the players are brought in to fit that scheme. Even the O-line has different blocking scheme on different teams and a Guard who is good in one scheme isn't necessarily good in another one. Brandon Weedon was absolutely terrible in Dallas when Tony went down, and he was already on the team and thus should have been familiar with the system, but it still wasn't a good fit for him. Dallas thought they could make it work, which is why they signed him, but they ended up being wrong. He went to the Texans the next year and looked much better in that scheme.
Another factor is the salary cap, teams just can't blow big money on short term patches. Elway already made it clear that they were interested in Kap at once point but he wanted too much money. If the player thinks he's worth more than a team thinks he worth to them then they go unsigned. Dez Bryant is finding that out right now, is the league colluding vs. him too? Even the 'no longer the stud he once was' Dez is still better than a bunch of #2 & #3 WRs in the league right now, but Dez wants to get paid like a #1, which he is not viewed as anymore. As for the retired NFL player, never heard of that guy before but yes some NFL players are just casual fans and some are even less than that. Donavan McNabb was once surprised when an over time game ended in a tie, even casual fans know what the NFL OT rules are. Playing the game does not make you an expert on what a QB is doing on another team. It's kind of sad you even tried pointing to a 'former NFL player' as knowing more than the OC & QB coach of the team he's playing for. Why didn't SF try to resign Kap if he was so great? They gave him many, many chances and worked with him directly, yet they decided they would be better off going in a new direction. |
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Re: Sports: NFL
I'd rather lose to the Lions than the Packers.
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