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Old November 28th, 2020, 02:09 PM
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(I was fond of the Sci-Fi alien transplant direction for Durnipia, for example, but that's inherently a redesign of a strong design that I don't think needs one).
Sci-Fi alien transplants can't have water magic?

Anyway, you're absolutely right that it's a "your mileage might vary" sort of thing. We tend to approach these things from different sides and that's fine. I'll shut up about it unless I'm asked, and let Pod 2 do it's thing. (Which I've probably said before, but I'm also trying to balance keeping the discussion going and moving the project forward.)


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Thanks everyone for all the feedback!

Personally I think the design still fits the feeling of Durnipia fairly well. Given that Durnipia is only briefly mentioned in two bios (10th Regiment of Foot and Valguard) and all we know is that she is "Einar's healer", as long as the design has a healing emphasis and fits well enough in Einar I think we're good. I understand the traditional association of water with Aquilla, but I don't think we can't see some other water based designs show up in other generals from time to time. I also think its helpful that the emphasis of the design is on healing, rather than water utility, as in many ways the water terraforming serves to increase her healing potential. Healing as a mechanic is also fairly rare in Heroscape, so any design with a healing focus will already stand out for that reason, which in my mind makes the association with Durnipia even easier to justify.

Also, I think at this point we're actually in more need of Einar designs than Aquilla to round out the set? According to my notes, we currently have two designs that have a strong possibility to end up as Aquilla (Arlinn Kord human form as a native american hero and the merfolk roilmage as an Aquilla elementar) and only two potential Einar designs (Durnipia and Katryn). I know early brainstorming had floated the Phoenixes as an Einar squad, but that was before Axentia had hit public playtesting. In the interests of making the set feel at home alongside c3v, I'd be hesitant to make the phoenixes anything other than Jandar to match Axentia.

As far as the species goes, I agree that Rusalka is perhaps a bit obscure, and that the more generic Nymph or Merfolk would probably be a slight improvement. Of the two I lean towards Nymph, if only because the Merfolk Roilmage looks just like a Merfolk but will probably end up being an Elementar or something else, and it would be a little strange for Durnipia to be a merfolk but not the Roilmage. For the class I'm open to suggestions, but thought perhaps "Lady" might work? Its kind of a reference to the 10th Regiment of Foots bio when one of the soldiers refers to her as "Madam Durnipia."

Regarding all the comments about the "Carried by Waves" power, how would people feel about this?

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CARRIED BY WAVES V2.0
All land spaces within 1 space of Durnipia that are no more than 2 levels above or below Durnipia's base are considered water spaces. Durnipia and friendly figures who move adjacent to Durnipia do not have to stop their movement when entering a water space for the remainder of their turn.
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CARRIED BY WAVES V2
All land spaces within 1 space of Durnipia that are no more than 2 levels above or below Durnipia's base are considered water spaces. Durnipia and friendly figures who move adjacent to Durnipia do not have to stop their movement when entering a water space for the remainder of their turn.

HEALING WATERS V2
After taking a turn with Durnipia, you may roll the d20 for each other friendly wounded hero within four clear sight spaces. If you roll a 15 or higher, remove a wound from that figure's army card. If that figure is on a water space, add 5 to your roll.
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I still prefer Pheonixes under Einar because red on blue is absolutely hideous.

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I still prefer Pheonixes under Einar because red on blue is absolutely hideous.
I mean, I'm not a fan of the red on blue either, but I think that full VC consistency needs to be more important than aesthetic concerns.
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I still prefer Pheonixes under Einar because red on blue is absolutely hideous.
I mean, I'm not a fan of the red on blue either, but I think that full VC consistency needs to be more important than aesthetic concerns.
Its hard to say if Axentia will stay Jandar though. We don't really know.

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Re: [Pod 2] Durnipia (Kiora, the Rising Tide) - Public Feedb

Pheonixes in general have very strong justification for Einar. I think that Axentia is the exception rather than the norm there (much like how dwarves can be found either in Aquilla or other generals on occasion), but I can delve further into that when the time for designing the Pheonixes actually comes around. Suffice it to say that I think they will feel noticeably out of place under a different general than Einar, regardless of whether Axentia does or not.

I quite enjoy Einar's themes and overall feeling, but this design noticeably does not mesh well with them as it stands. An Inscrutable Nymph feels right out of the "dark fantasy" that Aquilla is known for, has strong ties to nature, an undercurrent of wildness that is trademark Aquilla, and is very much based around water with both of her powers. Pretty much every aspect of the design feels right at home under Aquilla, and I don't see a strong reason to tie her to Einar here other than the name of Durnipia. The presentation feels like a noticeable disconnect to either give Einar more units or make an obscure reference for the sake of it, rather than a decision to improve the theme of this design, which is why it feels so off to me.

In terms of making her a Lady, keep in mind that she would then have synergy with the Skeletons of Annellintia. It feels weird in my opinion, but it's honestly less disconcerting to me than her being under the wrong general.
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