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Old January 5th, 2024, 11:40 PM
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Re: Mystique (Raven Darkhölme - Brotherhood) - Initial Test

all right I'll run with that and send her to testing...

Would I want it to be everything I love...sure...but that's just not realistic so I'm going to focus on finding things that will make me unhappy and work on fixing those.
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Re: Mystique (Raven Darkhölme - Brotherhood) - Group Testing

C3G STANDARD PLAYTEST FEEDBACK FORM
NAME OF THE PLAYTEST UNIT: MYSTIQUE
VERSION TESTED
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Team Test
Map: KAMAR-TAJ
Units: Black Tom, Sabretooth, Toad, Mastermind, Pyro, Mystique (1000) vs Doctor Doom (525), Doombots (x5) (475) (1000)
Unit Summary: Army of Doom tried to take down Sabretooth early but couldn’t finish him. The Brotherhood took the opportunity to wear the Army of Doom down with a superior efficiency (if not attack power). Army of Doom had a few key rolls that went against them.
Game Summary
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  • Damage Done (Normal Attack): Inflicted [0] wounds
  • IMPERSONATE: Choose the following figures, in order [Doom, Doombot, Doombot, Doom]; was [low impact]
  • OUTCAST ASSAULT 12: Rolled [18] times to activate [9] figures
  • BROTHERHOOD CONTINGENCY PLAN: Rescued [2] Order Markers
Who won? List figures remaining in the winning army (include life remaining for heroes): Mystique with Full Life, Black Tom with Full Life, and Pyro with 2 Life win.
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Team Test
Map: KAMAR-TAJ
Units: Black Tom, Sabretooth, Toad, Mastermind, Pyro, Mystique (1000) vs Fearsome Five (1000)
Unit Summary: Sabretooth was too much for the Fearsome Five to handle and the rest of the pieces around Sabretooth managed to run them over.
Game Summary
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  • Damage Done (Normal Attack): Inflicted [0] wounds
  • IMPERSONATE: Choose the following figures, in order [Psimon, Gizmo, Gizmo, Psimon, Mammoth]; was [good for keeping her around]
  • OUTCAST ASSAULT 12: Rolled [18] times to activate [10] figures
  • BROTHERHOOD CONTINGENCY PLAN: Rescued [0] Order Markers
Who won? List figures remaining in the winning army (include life remaining for heroes): Sabretooth with Full Life, Mastermind with Full Life, Pyro with Full Life, Mystique with 3 Life, and Toad with 1 Life win.
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UNIT SUMMARY: Brotherhood of Mutants is legit in this build! Maybe a tad on the spicy side, though Outcast Assault rolls were just slightly above average in these tests.

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Old January 17th, 2024, 11:19 PM
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Re: Mystique (Raven Darkhölme - Brotherhood) - Group Testing

Looking at these test and it looks like we need to fix the Lackeys so they can't get double turns. That's unintentional.

On the Second test it looks like Psimon had horrible rolls

without the double lackey turns how far off would you say they are. Would bumping the roll back up to 14 be enough?

Would I want it to be everything I love...sure...but that's just not realistic so I'm going to focus on finding things that will make me unhappy and work on fixing those.
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Re: Mystique (Raven Darkhölme - Brotherhood) - Group Testing

Agreed on the double Lackey activation, that shouldn't happen.
Bats and I started out game with opposite d20s, his was red hot and mine was ice cold. Tough to say. I wouldn't go higher than 13. Preference is to stay at 12.
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Old January 18th, 2024, 07:29 AM
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Re: Mystique (Raven Darkhölme - Brotherhood) - Group Testing

I didn't think either of the tests felt unbalanced. Patching the lackey thing would probably make them right as-is. I also wouldn't go higher than 13. With the lackey change, preference would be to stay at 12.

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Old January 18th, 2024, 10:26 AM
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Re: Mystique (Raven Darkhölme - Brotherhood) - Group Testing

oh gotcha...I guess I read the tests and thought they were coming in way hot. Good to know it wasn't as far off as I thought you were saying.

Would I want it to be everything I love...sure...but that's just not realistic so I'm going to focus on finding things that will make me unhappy and work on fixing those.
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Old January 18th, 2024, 10:36 AM
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Re: Mystique (Raven Darkhölme - Brotherhood) - Group Testing

I think I rolled slightly above average on Outcast Assault in both matches. The first match felt like it could've gone either way, but defensive rolls went against the Army of Doom a bit there. I don't think I would've won without the extra lackey actions letting me double activate things.

The second one the Fearsome Five got behind early (may have been a couple of missed interactions that could've helped) and Psimon's d20 was really cold, while I was able to mobilize really quickly.

I don't think either team really had a great answer for Sabretooth and his healing either. A lot of resources went into piling wounds on him in both games, but he healed back to full each time before finally getting taken down, so he really soaked up a lot of attention. Toad also had a lot of all-skulls rolls on his special attack. So I think in general dice probably favored the Brotherhood (though getting extra chances with the lackey stuff helped).

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Old January 18th, 2024, 12:43 PM
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Re: Mystique (Raven Darkhölme - Brotherhood) - Group Testing

Thanks for the clarification. I will hold the line here and make the changes to the Lackeys and we will see where that goes as we progress in testing

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Old January 22nd, 2024, 10:18 PM
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Re: Mystique (Raven Darkhölme - Brotherhood) - Group Testing

asking for more info but this is where we are, Blubber = Blob...

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C3G STANDARD PLAYTEST FEEDBACK FORM

NAME OF THE PLAYTEST UNIT: (Mystique)

Army Test
Map: City Park
Units: Mystique, Blubber, Toad, Pyro (600) vs Vance Astro, Yondu, Mantis (600)
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Army Test
Map: City Park
Units: Mystique, Avalanche, Black Tom Cassidy, Toad (600) vs Big Man, Ox, Montana, Fancy Dan
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THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT'S COST, BALANCE, & DRAFTABILITY: (200 points looks spot on)

GENERAL THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT: (Mystique was excellent to play with, Impersonate was such fun. )

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Re: Mystique (Raven Darkhölme - Brotherhood) - Group Testing

Are we locked in at 200 for points? Seems like she's running mildly hot overall, which would mean I'd suggest either a 10 point bump or going to 13 for the d20 roll.

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Re: Mystique (Raven Darkhölme - Brotherhood) - Group Testing

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Are we locked in at 200 for points? Seems like she's running mildly hot overall, which would mean I'd suggest either a 10 point bump or going to 13 for the d20 roll.
Yes to points. I can roll with 13.

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Re: Mystique (Raven Darkhölme - Brotherhood) - Group Testing

I Propose we move to Final Editing at 200 points and 13 on the roll

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