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Re: The Book of Phoenix Force: Breathing Period
Personally, I'm ok with the extra oomph it would have as a double spaced figure, I mean, it IS the Phoenix Force we are talking about here.
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Re: The Book of Phoenix Force: Breathing Period
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Second that I was OK with just changing Phoenix Inferno to be Phoenix Fire with a 2 space range (so Phoenix Fire 2) as opposed to editing Krovax. |
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In general, 'indestructible Avatar' doesn't worry me as much as 'avatar that's juiced on offense'. If Gypsy is the Avatar and you can't hurt her, you can still go after the Phoenix, which has the same Defense value and also all the OMs, and taking it out makes Gypsy kind of a non-threat. And while you're trying to take it out, you're going to be facing one attack of probably 6-7 dice a turn, plus the Phoenix Fire auto-wounds. Strong, but manageable. If Cable is the Avatar, I think you're probably going after Cable first, but I could be swayed. Either way, you're facing two attacks of 6 a turn while you're doing it. Very likely two attacks of 8 a turn, between Flying and Sighting on Cable. Plus the auto-wounds. Not many figures are really built to stand up to that. The range limitation the Phoenix Force puts on him and the new OM requirements on the Phoenix Force help mitigate the worst of the cheese that Avatar Cable could pull. (If it was still easy to Sage-boost him and give him bonding partners? Forget about it) Quote:
I think you could maybe get away with stronger Phoenix Fire for Phoenix Force, without retcons, by doing something like this: Quote:
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Re: The Book of Phoenix Force: Breathing Period
I guess for almost 1000 points (potentially more after testing) I’m ok with 2 attacks of 6 or 8 in one turn. I definitely like the OM restriction on the Avatar power because it does give you a weakness to go after.
I’m not interested in bumping the Phoenix Fire power to 2 dice that feels a bit over the top. 2 space range does increase the power just enough for me while also being a detriment enough to your own placement sometimes. |
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Oh yeah, I'm for sure not trying to say it can't be balanced or anything. Just that it looks to me like the combo that's gonna drive testing and costing here.
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Re: The Book of Phoenix Force: Breathing Period
Ok kinda read it like you were saying the combo is too strong without testing. I definitely think Gypsy and Cable will be two of the stronger Avatars to choose and would like to see that tested thoroughly.
Also my version of the sortable spreadsheet I downloaded doesn’t have Gypsy in it so I missed her when looking for issues with the Telepaths. Really we should all be scared of Stan Lee with the Phoenix Force. |
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Re: The Book of Phoenix Force: Breathing Period
Awesome, thanks Ronin!
Also just so everyone knows where I stand on the power level of this design, I consider the Phoenix Force very close in power level to Galactus, but would like to keep this design around 1000 points, 1100 max, as you do want a couple of Telepaths to be the Avatars. |
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Re: The Book of Phoenix Force: Breathing Period
Maybe have Cosmic Inferno double up rolls for any figure that has Phoenix Fire by default? Like, the Force and Phoenix and Dark Phoenix and whoever get 2 dice, any other Avatar just gets one?
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Jean does still feel like a viable Avatar here - not top level, perhaps, but manageable. A cheap cost, a free bonus throw attack and a bleeding irritating ability that can stop you from even moving shouldn't be underestimated.
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Re: The Book of Pheonix Force: Breathing Period
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