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Old October 3rd, 2019, 12:05 AM
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Re: [Pod 0] HONORED SOUL-GUIDES (Lantern Geists) - Design

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I can see them looking creepy, but our goal was for them to portray bringing heroes back for one last swing. I see a kind of vague connection to the Dead souls that came to help Aragorn in the battle of the Pelennor fields. A better parallel would probably be the Heroes of the Horn from the Wheel of Time series. These "Soul Guides" bring heroes back for one last valiant aid.
Yeah, this is the intended theme. They're Psychopomps for a reason.
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Old October 3rd, 2019, 12:11 AM
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Re: [Pod 0] HONORED SOUL-GUIDES (Lantern Geists) - Design

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Wait....why does reviving Finn let you give his bonus multiple times?
I believe that the ruling is that placing Finn or another "Spirit" on a card serves as a reminder of that power, rather than the source of the boost. Even if he is somehow removed from the card (such as by Last Will), the boost is still active.
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Old October 3rd, 2019, 12:17 AM
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Re: [Pod 0] HONORED SOUL-GUIDES (Lantern Geists) - Design

What is the precedent for this ruling? I looked in Finn's Book and didn't see it.
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Re: [Pod 0] HONORED SOUL-GUIDES (Lantern Geists) - Design

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I can see them looking creepy, but our goal was for them to portray bringing heroes back for one last swing. I see a kind of vague connection to the Dead souls that came to help Aragorn in the battle of the Pelennor fields. A better parallel would probably be the Heroes of the Horn from the Wheel of Time series. These "Soul Guides" bring heroes back for one last valiant aid.
Yeah, this is the intended theme. They're Psychopomps for a reason.
I know you all get the theme, and I get it. I just don't think the target market for this project will necessarily get it.
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Old October 3rd, 2019, 07:21 PM
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Re: [Pod 0] HONORED SOUL-GUIDES (Lantern Geists) - Design

I think most of us here would like to see some version of Last Will before we resort to a redesign. Iím torn on whether we need to go back or not.
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Re: [Pod 0] HONORED SOUL-GUIDES (Lantern Geists) - Design

Cool design. There is a glyph that does something like this correct?
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Re: [Pod 0] HONORED SOUL-GUIDES (Lantern Geists) - Design

I say we push ahead on these guys with as simple a wording of Last Will as we can manage, and make a list of the edge cases. Maybe we can come up with something that addresses those edge cases.
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Re: [Pod 0] HONORED SOUL-GUIDES (Lantern Geists) - Design

Looks like I'm in the minority for a redesign. Is this the version that we're happy with?

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RANGE 1
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LAST WILL
After revealing an Order Marker on this Army Card, instead of taking a turn with the Honored Soul-Guides, you may choose a previously destroyed small or medium Unique Hero you control. Destroy an Honored Soul-Guide that you control and place the chosen hero on the space that Soul-Guide occupied. Remove all wound markers from that Army Card, immediately take a turn with that hero, and then destroy that hero.

STEALTH FLYING
When counting spaces for an Honored Soul-Guide's movement, ignore elevations. An Honored Soul-Guide may fly over water without stopping, pass over figures without becoming engaged, and fly over obstacles such as ruins. If an Honored Soul-Guide is engaged when it starts to fly, it will not take any leaving engagement attacks.
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Re: [Pod 0] HONORED SOUL-GUIDES (Lantern Geists) - Design

I’m open to a redesign for sure. We sptballed a few ideas the other day. I just think we should push a little harder on this version and try to get it to work.
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Re: [Pod 0] HONORED SOUL-GUIDES (Lantern Geists) - Design

I think it will be pretty apparent in testing whether or not Last Will is mechanically satisfying and enjoyable enough to be worth all the rigamarole. Currently my main point of hesitation is that I donít see these guys going as low as 50 with it, and they might creep up into a point range that weíre making pretty crowded already. But we canít answer any of this easily without at least a little testing, so we may as well go ahead.
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Re: [Pod 0] HONORED SOUL-GUIDES (Lantern Geists) - Design

On the plus side - if we decide that we’re going too complex/too high point value, that gives us some pretty heavy restraints to work with on the remaining units, which can be a good thing.
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Re: [Pod 0] HONORED SOUL-GUIDES (Lantern Geists) - Design

I'm happy with that version as a starting point if editing is okay with it.

Your custom probably has too much Defense.

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