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The Spellbook of Crimson Bands of Cyttorak

The Spellbook of Crimson Bands of Cyttorak

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Spell Bio - The Hell Lord known as Cyttorak is one of the most powerful magical beings in existence. Besides empowering his human avatar, the Juggernaut, he also provides a power source that magic-users can tap into to create the Crimson Bands. The Bands are an incredibly powerful shield and restraining tool.
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CRIMSON BANDS OF CYTTORAK
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Immediately after revealing an Order Marker on this figure's card, this figure may cast this spell to choose a figure within 4 clear sight spaces to be Bound until the end of the round or until it is moved, whichever comes first. That Bound figure cannot roll for leaving engagement attacks and adds 1 automatic shield when defending against non-adjacent attacks. Before any player moves that Bound figure, that player must roll the 20-sided die, subtracting 6 from the roll if this figure is Wise. If that player rolls 10 or lower, the Bound figure may not be moved. Event Heroes and figures with the Unstoppable Force special power cannot be Bound.

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Re: The Spellbook of Crimson Bands of Cyttorak (Design Phase

Art:

(reserved for some Crimson Bands images - this is actually a pretty iconic, recurring thing, so art shouldn't be too bad on this one)

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Re: The Spellbook of Crimson Bands of Cyttorak (Design Phase

Totally okay with this being more of a high-end spell. This is one that Strange in particular has a lot of history with, so I've been thinking about tying it into Wise figures to associate it with him and make it a little more niche with everyone else.

At one point I had it looking a little more like Polaris' Bubble Trap mechanics (which it is based on), but Polaris' auto-shield/ending-on-wound stuff has been left out to keep it clean, since it's a spell and just one power.

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A bonus for SS may be in order.
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Re: The Spellbook of Crimson Bands of Cyttorak (Design Phase

Eh, I don't know that Super Strength would affect a magical spell. Maybe a bonus for Magical Defense, but even that would muddy up a clean card.

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Re: The Spellbook of Crimson Bands of Cyttorak (Design Phase

There are a couple instances of super-strong people breaking the bands (worth noting that that's like, the Hulk set, not guys on the low end of the super strength spectrum), so a Super Strength modifier wouldn't be out of the question. MD wouldn't really work, though.

Forgot to mention it in here before, but the call-out to Unstoppable Force is pretty cuttable. It would have been more relevant on the version that was more like Polaris' and added an auto-shield. It'd be kinda neat to have a call-out to Juggernaut since he and the Bands are both powered by Cyttorak, but it's enough that the spell just doesn't affect him by the nature of it.

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Re: The Spellbook of Crimson Bands of Cyttorak (Design Phase

I believe Jug is huge so I'd just cut it. I don't think anyone else will ever have that power at this point. I like the SS bonus to the roll.

A thought if you don't mind it being a high cost spell is to have you also not be able to use any defensive powers that give you an option to move after an auto block. Not sure how that would be worded but Spidey Sense block, HQ backflip 1 shield block, etc. should all really get shut down if they can't move any more. Maybe take away all defensive powers as things like counterstrike shouldn't be possible either when unable to move. But then I'd say have the effect end at the end of the round or something to help balance it.
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I believe Jug is huge so I'd just cut it. I don't think anyone else will ever have that power at this point. I like the SS bonus to the roll.
He's large, and I can think of at least a few Juggernaut variations who should have that power. Juggernaut's had heroic phases and was a member of Excalibur, so I could see someone doing a Juggernaut like that. There are also AU Juggernauts that could be tackled, like Zombie Juggernaut or Charles Xavier as Juggernaut. Colossus had Juggernaut's powers for a while in the comics, after Juggernaut temporarily got Thor-ish powers and became Kuurth during Fear Itself. (Kuurth and Colosso-naut both have minis).

Not sure how soon any of those will happen, but there are a few possibilities.

My stance here is that if it shakes out that all the spell does is restrict movement, I'll cut the reference, since that can't affect Juggernaut anyway. If it has some other secondary effect, I might end up leaving it in, so that it can't partially affect Juggernaut.

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The intent is that it already does that. We can fiddle with the wording to make it more clear, but it's meant to shut down any and all movement.

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Maybe take away all defensive powers as things like counterstrike shouldn't be possible either when unable to move. But then I'd say have the effect end at the end of the round or something to help balance it.
It would be within theme bounds to restrict more than movement, but I want to make sure this doesn't end up a negative play experience, so I don't want to lean into that too hard.

If we wanted to restrict mainly Counter Strike type powers, we could maybe make that the tie-in for Wise figures, something like this:

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Re: The Spellbook of Crimson Bands of Cyttorak (Design Phase

Cool spell. I worry a little about bookkeeping, but it shouldn't be too bad. Overall,

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A thought if you don't mind it being a high cost spell is to have you also not be able to use any defensive powers that give you an option to move after an auto block. Not sure how that would be worded but Spidey Sense block, HQ backflip 1 shield block, etc. should all really get shut down if they can't move any more.
The intent is that it already does that. We can fiddle with the wording to make it more clear, but it's meant to shut down any and all movement.
This is an interesting side discussion to have then as perhaps I have been playing it wrong. When Doc Ock, Blob, or Reed Richards are adj. to Spidey, HQ, Nightwing, etc. they can't move, but their defense power does not say they 'must' move to use it only that they 'may' move after using it. So I still roll for Spidey Sense, I still allow 1 shield to block all damage, etc. I just don't let them move after doing so. Do others play that differently?
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The intent is that it already does that. We can fiddle with the wording to make it more clear, but it's meant to shut down any and all movement.
This is an interesting side discussion to have then as perhaps I have been playing it wrong. When Doc Ock, Blob, or Reed Richards are adj. to Spidey, HQ, Nightwing, etc. they can't move, but their defense power does not say they 'must' move to use it only that they 'may' move after using it. So I still roll for Spidey Sense, I still allow 1 shield to block all damage, etc. I just don't let them move after doing so. Do others play that differently?
I believe that's the official ruling - it's certainly how I play it. I certainly hope it's the case, as otherwise Doc Ock seems and unthematically hard counter to Spider-Man.


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